extreme rebuild kit....HELP - Competition Diesel.Com

SLVRBullet · 05-07-2011, 06:26 AM

so my local shop has the task of rebuilding my trans, i already had a billet single & an HTS vb. So last week the strut band or whatever broke. I ordered the suncoast extreme rebuild kit, billet input & billet flex plate. The mechanic called me this afternoon stating that the truck would only shift from 1-2 would not shift to third/od. He also told me that he had some "extra " clutches/plates left over from the rebuild, seems he thought it was to tight trying to get all of them in there or something.....

so i`m no tranny guy at all so i`m asking you guys this:

with the kit & the increased clutch count doesn`t it make sence that it would be a little more difficult getting all back in there? Does he need a press or something after all the clutches/steals are installed to compress them in order to re-install the snap ring???? i`m guess with the increased clutch count etc that is why he is saying its too tight for all of them to fit, but my guess is it needs all of them to allow it to shift otherwise it would be a "loose" not enough friction to shift sympton.....maybe?

He has done tons of stock rebuilds but this is the first rebuild of this type.

I`m lost i really need some input that i can pass along before he tears into it again on Monday.

I know someone has the knowledge & can help me out.

Thanks Alot

SLVRBullet · 05-07-2011, 06:27 AM

so my local shop has the task of rebuilding my trans, i already had a billet single & an HTS vb. So last week the strut band or whatever broke. I ordered the suncoast extreme rebuild kit, billet input & billet flex plate. The mechanic called me this afternoon stating that the truck would only shift from 1-2 would not shift to third/od. He also told me that he had some "extra " clutches/plates left over from the rebuild, seems he thought it was to tight trying to get all of them in there or something.....

so i`m no tranny guy at all so i`m asking you guys this:

with the kit & the increased clutch count doesn`t it make sence that it would be a little more difficult getting all back in there? Does he need a press or something after all the clutches/steals are installed to compress them in order to re-install the snap ring???? i`m guess with the increased clutch count etc that is why he is saying its too tight for all of them to fit, but my guess is it needs all of them to allow it to shift otherwise it would be a "loose" not enough friction to shift sympton.....maybe?

He has done tons of stock rebuilds but this is the first rebuild of this type.

I`m lost i really need some input that i can pass along before he tears into it again on Monday.

I know someone has the knowledge & can help me out.

Thanks Alot

lowdiesel · 05-07-2011, 06:48 AM

He needed to leave the wave snap ring out of clutch pack(not sure which one I'll look at my notes) and also you need a machined pressure plate as well(again I'll look and see for location on notes) I asked them why they didn't include this or recommend it and they said not all builds use it. I guess it depends on year of trans.

zstroken · 05-07-2011, 06:49 AM

U can't compress them more to make them fit. There are different snap ring thicknresses etc

SLVRBullet · 05-07-2011, 06:52 AM

wouldnt the suncoast kit have come with the correct snap ring then?

lowdiesel · 05-07-2011, 08:01 AM

No just substitute the wavy ring for an additional flat snap ring

SLVRBullet · 05-07-2011, 08:06 AM

^^^^ ok cool...what about the machined pressure plate that you talked about?

*Krazeeun* · 05-07-2011, 08:14 AM

Have you tranny tech call the shop and ask to speak to Ernie or SL, that's definately not a middle man (me) question. We open up at 9 monday morning...

lowdiesel · 05-07-2011, 08:33 AM

It's the reaction plate ,,sorry

SLVRBullet · 05-07-2011, 08:49 AM

sorry you lost me now....does he need to modify that or leave it out......?????? the reaction plate

Freezingsystems · 05-07-2011, 09:11 AM

You buy them modified. Look at transmissioncenter.com there website will show you pictures of one and you can buy them from the website.

Chris

lowdiesel · 05-07-2011, 09:30 AM

Just call Ronnie at Suncoast and have him send ya a machined reaction plate bud.

lowdiesel · 05-07-2011, 09:31 AM

Ernie is THA MAN.....PERIOD!

cnsmoke · 05-07-2011, 09:48 AM

You will have extra clutches left over due to the way Ernie does build some.

lowdiesel · 05-07-2011, 01:39 PM

I had NO extra after getting machined reaction plate from ronnie

SLVRBullet · 05-07-2011, 02:33 PM

so is the machined reaction plate the only thing i`m gonna need? i had someone PM me & tell me i need to buy a whole new direct drum in order for it to work out......ugh i`m so confused.

SLVRBullet · 05-07-2011, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krazeeun

Have you tranny tech call the shop and ask to speak to Ernie or SL, that's definately not a middle man (me) question. We open up at 9 monday morning...

sounds good i definately will be calling @ 9 am sharp. THANK YOU

SLVRBullet · 05-07-2011, 02:45 PM

i looked on the patc website & noticed they mention you can install 7 clutches & 6 steels with no modification the the factory drum????

so the machined reaction plate is required to be able to install all the the supplied clutches & steels correct?

I wonder why then if he only put the stock amount back into the trans why its not operating correctly then.....any thoughts?

lowdiesel · 05-07-2011, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLVRBullet

so is the machined reaction plate the only thing i`m gonna need? i had someone PM me & tell me i need to buy a whole new direct drum in order for it to work out......ugh i`m so confused.

You DONT need a direct drum upgrade for the amount you recieved in your kit!!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLVRBullet

i looked on the patc website & noticed they mention you can install 7 clutches & 6 steels with no modification the the factory drum????

so the machined reaction plate is required to be able to install all the the supplied clutches & steels correct?

I wonder why then if he only put the stock amount back into the trans why its not operating correctly then.....any thoughts?

well that doesnt mean that that is the problem, However the factory frictions and steels are a diffrent thickness than the ones included in the extreme kit ....

SLVRBullet · 05-07-2011, 07:32 PM

^^^^^ gotcha now its becoming clear to me... thats why i need the machined reaction plate so that at least i can get the clutches installed correctly. THANK YOU.

05-07-2011, 06:26 AM	#1
SLVRBullet Name: SLVRBullet Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2009 Member`s Gallery Posts: 267	extreme rebuild kit....HELP so my local shop has the task of rebuilding my trans, i already had a billet single & an HTS vb. So last week the strut band or whatever broke. I ordered the suncoast extreme rebuild kit, billet input & billet flex plate. The mechanic called me this afternoon stating that the truck would only shift from 1-2 would not shift to third/od. He also told me that he had some "extra " clutches/plates left over from the rebuild, seems he thought it was to tight trying to get all of them in there or something..... so i`m no tranny guy at all so i`m asking you guys this: with the kit & the increased clutch count doesn`t it make sence that it would be a little more difficult getting all back in there? Does he need a press or something after all the clutches/steals are installed to compress them in order to re-install the snap ring???? i`m guess with the increased clutch count etc that is why he is saying its too tight for all of them to fit, but my guess is it needs all of them to allow it to shift otherwise it would be a "loose" not enough friction to shift sympton.....maybe? He has done tons of stock rebuilds but this is the first rebuild of this type. I`m lost i really need some input that i can pass along before he tears into it again on Monday. I know someone has the knowledge & can help me out. Thanks Alot __________________ 06 QCLB SILVER- Garmon Trans, T &C Pump, ATS Arc Flo, Raptor, EFI Live, Super B Special 4 SALE Quote: Originally Posted by madmikeismad Aftermarket boobs are definitely performance parts. They make you finish faster.

05-07-2011, 06:27 AM	#2
SLVRBullet Name: SLVRBullet Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2009 Member`s Gallery Posts: 267	Tranny Guru`s i need your help....please. so my local shop has the task of rebuilding my trans, i already had a billet single & an HTS vb. So last week the strut band or whatever broke. I ordered the suncoast extreme rebuild kit, billet input & billet flex plate. The mechanic called me this afternoon stating that the truck would only shift from 1-2 would not shift to third/od. He also told me that he had some "extra " clutches/plates left over from the rebuild, seems he thought it was to tight trying to get all of them in there or something..... so i`m no tranny guy at all so i`m asking you guys this: with the kit & the increased clutch count doesn`t it make sence that it would be a little more difficult getting all back in there? Does he need a press or something after all the clutches/steals are installed to compress them in order to re-install the snap ring???? i`m guess with the increased clutch count etc that is why he is saying its too tight for all of them to fit, but my guess is it needs all of them to allow it to shift otherwise it would be a "loose" not enough friction to shift sympton.....maybe? He has done tons of stock rebuilds but this is the first rebuild of this type. I`m lost i really need some input that i can pass along before he tears into it again on Monday. I know someone has the knowledge & can help me out. Thanks Alot __________________ 06 QCLB SILVER- Garmon Trans, T &C Pump, ATS Arc Flo, Raptor, EFI Live, Super B Special 4 SALE Quote: Originally Posted by madmikeismad Aftermarket boobs are definitely performance parts. They make you finish faster.

05-07-2011, 06:48 AM	#3
lowdiesel Name: lowdiesel Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2011 Member`s Gallery Posts: 873	He needed to leave the wave snap ring out of clutch pack(not sure which one I'll look at my notes) and also you need a machined pressure plate as well(again I'll look and see for location on notes) I asked them why they didn't include this or recommend it and they said not all builds use it. I guess it depends on year of trans. __________________ 2006 QC SB 4x4 11.5" aam rear Sun Coast Parts T.C.S (Arizona) AIR Dog T&C Diesel Forced Inductions ATS DTT HAMILTON! Glacier Diesel TS Performance Magna Flow Auto Meter Garmon Diesel Smarty SSR (soon) DPC Powered By Ford Last edited by lowdiesel; 05-07-2011 at 06:50 AM.

05-07-2011, 06:49 AM	#4
zstroken Name: zstroken Title: For $$$ your name here Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Western Michigan(by the lake) Member`s Gallery Posts: 23,151	U can't compress them more to make them fit. There are different snap ring thicknresses etc __________________ 2008 4x4 Megacab, 68RFE 97 Dodge gone.... 24V P-Pump Mafia member #1(retired) Thanks to Mumau Diesel, Goerend Transmission, Northeast Diesel Service!

05-07-2011, 06:52 AM	#5
SLVRBullet Name: SLVRBullet Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2009 Member`s Gallery Posts: 267	wouldnt the suncoast kit have come with the correct snap ring then? __________________ 06 QCLB SILVER- Garmon Trans, T &C Pump, ATS Arc Flo, Raptor, EFI Live, Super B Special 4 SALE Quote: Originally Posted by madmikeismad Aftermarket boobs are definitely performance parts. They make you finish faster. Last edited by SLVRBullet; 05-07-2011 at 06:57 AM.

05-07-2011, 08:01 AM	#6
lowdiesel Name: lowdiesel Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2011 Member`s Gallery Posts: 873	No just substitute the wavy ring for an additional flat snap ring __________________ 2006 QC SB 4x4 11.5" aam rear Sun Coast Parts T.C.S (Arizona) AIR Dog T&C Diesel Forced Inductions ATS DTT HAMILTON! Glacier Diesel TS Performance Magna Flow Auto Meter Garmon Diesel Smarty SSR (soon) DPC Powered By Ford

05-07-2011, 08:06 AM	#7
SLVRBullet Name: SLVRBullet Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2009 Member`s Gallery Posts: 267	^^^^ ok cool...what about the machined pressure plate that you talked about? __________________ 06 QCLB SILVER- Garmon Trans, T &C Pump, ATS Arc Flo, Raptor, EFI Live, Super B Special 4 SALE Quote: Originally Posted by madmikeismad Aftermarket boobs are definitely performance parts. They make you finish faster.

05-07-2011, 08:14 AM	#8
Krazeeun Name: Krazeeun Title: Hardway Performance Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Fort Walton Beach, FL Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,369	Have you tranny tech call the shop and ask to speak to Ernie or SL, that's definately not a middle man (me) question. We open up at 9 monday morning... __________________ RYAN MILLIKEN I WILL NOT KEEP CALM I WILL RAISE HELL AND BREAK ** '14 Ram SCSB Pro-Street "MiniWheat" - 5.299ET@136.49MPH/4515# '66 Nova X275 4.289@170.8/3430# '69 Nova X275 .... still on pro jacks KNOWLEDGE IS POWER**

05-07-2011, 08:33 AM	#9
lowdiesel Name: lowdiesel Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2011 Member`s Gallery Posts: 873	It's the reaction plate ,,sorry __________________ 2006 QC SB 4x4 11.5" aam rear Sun Coast Parts T.C.S (Arizona) AIR Dog T&C Diesel Forced Inductions ATS DTT HAMILTON! Glacier Diesel TS Performance Magna Flow Auto Meter Garmon Diesel Smarty SSR (soon) DPC Powered By Ford

05-07-2011, 08:49 AM	#10
SLVRBullet Name: SLVRBullet Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2009 Member`s Gallery Posts: 267	sorry you lost me now....does he need to modify that or leave it out......?????? the reaction plate __________________ 06 QCLB SILVER- Garmon Trans, T &C Pump, ATS Arc Flo, Raptor, EFI Live, Super B Special 4 SALE Quote: Originally Posted by madmikeismad Aftermarket boobs are definitely performance parts. They make you finish faster.

05-07-2011, 09:11 AM	#11
Freezingsystems Name: Freezingsystems Title: Modify Everything Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Chesterton, IN Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,130	You buy them modified. Look at transmissioncenter.com there website will show you pictures of one and you can buy them from the website. Chris

05-07-2011, 09:30 AM	#12
lowdiesel Name: lowdiesel Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2011 Member`s Gallery Posts: 873	Just call Ronnie at Suncoast and have him send ya a machined reaction plate bud. __________________ 2006 QC SB 4x4 11.5" aam rear Sun Coast Parts T.C.S (Arizona) AIR Dog T&C Diesel Forced Inductions ATS DTT HAMILTON! Glacier Diesel TS Performance Magna Flow Auto Meter Garmon Diesel Smarty SSR (soon) DPC Powered By Ford

05-07-2011, 09:31 AM	#13
lowdiesel Name: lowdiesel Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2011 Member`s Gallery Posts: 873	Ernie is THA MAN.....PERIOD! __________________ 2006 QC SB 4x4 11.5" aam rear Sun Coast Parts T.C.S (Arizona) AIR Dog T&C Diesel Forced Inductions ATS DTT HAMILTON! Glacier Diesel TS Performance Magna Flow Auto Meter Garmon Diesel Smarty SSR (soon) DPC Powered By Ford

05-07-2011, 09:48 AM	#14
cnsmoke Name: cnsmoke Title: AKA PooDot Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: oklahoma Member`s Gallery Posts: 703	You will have extra clutches left over due to the way Ernie does build some. __________________ thanks to TS Performance, Suncoast, DDP, Shiver Diesel,Airdog, and COMPETITIONDIESEL.COM for all the help!!!

05-07-2011, 01:39 PM	#15
lowdiesel Name: lowdiesel Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2011 Member`s Gallery Posts: 873	I had NO extra after getting machined reaction plate from ronnie __________________ 2006 QC SB 4x4 11.5" aam rear Sun Coast Parts T.C.S (Arizona) AIR Dog T&C Diesel Forced Inductions ATS DTT HAMILTON! Glacier Diesel TS Performance Magna Flow Auto Meter Garmon Diesel Smarty SSR (soon) DPC Powered By Ford

05-07-2011, 02:33 PM	#16
SLVRBullet Name: SLVRBullet Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2009 Member`s Gallery Posts: 267	so is the machined reaction plate the only thing i`m gonna need? i had someone PM me & tell me i need to buy a whole new direct drum in order for it to work out......ugh i`m so confused. __________________ 06 QCLB SILVER- Garmon Trans, T &C Pump, ATS Arc Flo, Raptor, EFI Live, Super B Special 4 SALE Quote: Originally Posted by madmikeismad Aftermarket boobs are definitely performance parts. They make you finish faster.

05-07-2011, 02:45 PM	#18
SLVRBullet Name: SLVRBullet Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2009 Member`s Gallery Posts: 267	i looked on the patc website & noticed they mention you can install 7 clutches & 6 steels with no modification the the factory drum???? so the machined reaction plate is required to be able to install all the the supplied clutches & steels correct? I wonder why then if he only put the stock amount back into the trans why its not operating correctly then.....any thoughts? __________________ 06 QCLB SILVER- Garmon Trans, T &C Pump, ATS Arc Flo, Raptor, EFI Live, Super B Special 4 SALE Quote: Originally Posted by madmikeismad Aftermarket boobs are definitely performance parts. They make you finish faster.

05-07-2011, 07:32 PM	#20
SLVRBullet Name: SLVRBullet Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2009 Member`s Gallery Posts: 267	^^^^^ gotcha now its becoming clear to me... thats why i need the machined reaction plate so that at least i can get the clutches installed correctly. THANK YOU. __________________ 06 QCLB SILVER- Garmon Trans, T &C Pump, ATS Arc Flo, Raptor, EFI Live, Super B Special 4 SALE Quote: Originally Posted by madmikeismad Aftermarket boobs are definitely performance parts. They make you finish faster.