My son wants to get saved!

[UNBROKEN]

There were some unnecessary posts that were removed...but I would post on this subject no matter what. I was pointed to this thread via that edit though.

[Charger]

Originally Posted by wideopen

This is why I don't like religious threads. There are to many different opinions, some more vocal than others. You guys can talk all you want, just leave the Personal attacks out.

Noted: squeamish around religion

[UNBROKEN]

Wade....what about doing like someone else said to me and do the thing where you dedicate your children to the lord...and let them make their own decision at a later date.

And from my girlfriend...if you let your son be saved now, he is saying he FULLY understands everythign that goes along with it...sins and all. SO what happens if, and I wouldn't wish this on anyone, he sins and then passes away at a young age? Has he not invalidated the age of accountability that may have given him a pass to heaven by being saved at 5?

[wideopen]

Do I think a 5 YO is old enough to make decision? No.
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Do I take my Kids to Church? Yes, about every Sunday. If they ask me what I believe I will share what believe with them. It is Wades decision to share what he wants with his children, just as it is your decision to share what you wish with your children


One More:

Do I hate Religious threads? More than any other thread on our Board.

[BigPapa]

Why is it that a man is being ridiculed because he wants to share his excitement with his fellow Christians, in a section of CompD specifically created so that if you weren't interested in Christianity you didn't have to read it?

Originally Posted by wideopen

I've opened up this new area just for Diesels for Christ.

I don't understand. Wade, are you going over to these other boy's threads and preaching at them?


As for this boy being too young to make this decision, Jesus said "Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven."

I don't know if this is a true story but I think it puts this in perspective.

There was a boy who became King of his country, lets say India, at a very young age, lets say 10 years old. The Queen of England came to visit him and the boy liked the Queen so much that he gave her the most valuable treasure that his country had, lets say it was the Hope Diamond.

20 years later the boy King, now a man, went to England to visit the Queen who was dying. Shortly after the King arrived he requested to see the diamond he had given the Queen. The Queen's people were scared that the King wanted to take the diamond back to his country because he had not realized it's worth when he was 10.

The King took the diamond in his hand and looked it over for several minutes and then told the Queen "I gave this to you when I was very young and could not understand it's worth. Now that I am a man and can appreciate how valuable this gem is I wanted to look at it again. Now that I have seen it and can fully appreciate it's beauty and it's worth, I give it to you once again."

I understand your excitement Wade. I have two kids myself.

Scott

[DIESEL_POWER]

Originally Posted by UNBROKEN

Wade....what about doing like someone else said to me and do the thing where you dedicate your children to the lord...and let them make their own decision at a later date.

And from my girlfriend...if you let your son be saved now, he is saying he FULLY understands everythign that goes along with it...sins and all. SO what happens if, and I wouldn't wish this on anyone, he sins and then passes away at a young age? Has he not invalidated the age of accountability that may have given him a pass to heaven by being saved at 5?

Dont take this the wrong way but once you are saved, your blamless in GODs eyes. No matter what. The Bible says that once you are saved you cant loose your salvation, no matter what you do after ward, BUT It's not a free invitaion to do whatever you want to because we are human we will make mystakes and do wrong, But As a Christian we should Try not to. We should live our life as an example for Christ and Think and act as Christ would have(Because he was the model Christian) If a person Claims to be a Christian and kills relentlessly, I would question his Salvation first, Not pin it on "christianity" or Christians are wacks....

Many Claim to be saved but really are not. The Bible calls these False prophets, or Anti Christ's< doing bad in the name of Christ.... on purpose.

The Bible says that once you are saved there should be "fruits of the spirit that are evidence you are a Christian.

Galatians 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

[JasonCzerak]

but, to be saved you need to fully under..... never mind.

[DIESEL_POWER]

Originally Posted by UNBROKEN

You're not getting it....by doing all of those things you are "leading" him....he cannot understand something of this magnitude. He's not emotionally developed enough to....that's a fact.

If this is something you wanna do right, and I assume you do as it's your son we're talking about...how about you and your wife discuss his ability to comprehend this with a child developement specialist?
See what a professional has to say about his ability to comprehend this big thing at such a young age.

On a side note...he's 5...what could really be happening in a 5 year old's life that he needs saving from? Let him get anouth 10 years under his belt and get closer to an age where he can make his own decisions about religion and it's place in his life. All he's doing right now if something he thinks you want so you'll approve of him. I'd bet getting off the internet and playing with him and a baseball would accomplish the same thing.

Why at 5 years of age? Because tomorrow "could" be his last day .... and even if it were not and i "waited" and kept "pushing it off" He would not respect the situation and treat it like cleaning up his room.

in other words it would not be important, and would become one of those " oh i'll do it laters" Or "when i get around to it" Later may be too late!

Originally Posted by duallyspeed

Diesel Power,It sounds like you have done a vary good job with your boy.I am happy for you both.Your son will be fine.He is learning from Gods word and his earthly dad.Step one to me is not getting saved.Step one is the willingness to learn.He clearly has that down.So yes, if he feels clear on what Jesus did for him on the cross,and why Jesus had to go through it and more importantly that Jesus was raised from the dead.He could be ready.Did you ask him why he wants to get saved?

Thank you, Yes i did. He said he wants to go to heaven and be with mom and dad and grandma, and his saved friends and best of all see Jesus and God. He knows what sin is and he knows he is a sinner, he asks for forgiveness when he does wrong, he's is growing and learning very quickly.

Originally Posted by SHughes

Why do all of us heathens insist on getting invovled in a thread, in a section (DFC) where we have no business?

I have made my stance on these things clear in other threads...but if it's in the DFC section, I keep my nose out of it. Till now, and that's simply to say, STFU and not foul up the DFC section when you clearly have NO business. It's like saying Cummins is better in the D-max section. Get over yourselves and leave the section in peace. You wouldn't walk into Wades, or any others church and drop a duece on the front pew, would you????

Wade, I hope you, your son and the rest of you family make the best decsions for all of you.

Originally Posted by UNBROKEN

It's an open forum that I Moderate....I'll post in here at will.
A counter point of view hurts nothing....and for once I'm talking to Wade instead of bashing him. That's gotta count for something.

It Does count and i appreciate it.

[UNBROKEN]

Originally Posted by DIESEL_POWER

Why at 5 years of age? Because tomorrow "could" be his last day .... and even if it were not and i "waited" and kept "pushing it off"

There it is in your own words...you're the one that wants this to happen...not him. Teach him what you will, but don't lead him into doing something he can't comprehend.
And 5 is well below the generally accepted age of accountability of 13. Your son is 5....he has a free pass.

[ride42]

I was baptized LDS when I was 8 years old. The reason I was baptized? My best friend at the time wasn't allowed to hang out with me unless I was Mormon. I figured "well, hey what the heck I'll get dunked in some water and go hang out with my friend every Sunday at church." I would say around the age of 11 is when I realized what had happened and I felt like I was played..because I was.

Just let your son be a kid. He has the rest of his life to worry about religion.

[canadiandiesel]

I never understood how becoming Christian you were automatically a sinner be it 5 or a newborn your going to hell, to me this doesn't seem right the kid in my eyes was not even given a chance at life which is bs

[duallyspeed]

Originally Posted by UNBROKEN

Blinded by religion....a 5 year old cannot possibly, no way in hell understand the concept of someone being raised from the dead. Children that age don't even comprehend death....much less the reversal of it.
I actually feel sorry for a kid who's parents would allow this to happen.
Force YOUR beliefs on them from birth then actually believe that they reach these conclusions on their own?
You have GOT to be kidding me.


5 year olds believe in Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, etc...
Why ? Because we TOLD them to.
Same reason your son believes in God...you TOLD him to.
He's NOT OLD ENOUGH to make his own decisions.

Just for fun i looked up 5 year old musicians.I would post up links but that would prove squat.Face it some kids can understand major ,melodic,harmonic,minor and harmonic major scales.Have you ever met his boy?
Yes i know music and God are miles apart.Some kids just 'get it' before others.
Maybe diesel powers boy is one of these kind of children?

[firemanram]

Praise God!! Seems everybody trying to judge & the only one that should be is God. God is the Only one that fully understands what is happening between Him & the little boy. People don't wait until they fully understand before that except Christ! Thank God for his Grace! Did you know everything about a diesel truck before you bought it or did you learn more after you got it??

[DIESEL_POWER]

Originally Posted by UNBROKEN

There it is in your own words...you're the one that wants this to happen...not him. Teach him what you will, but don't lead him into doing something he can't comprehend.
And 5 is well below the generally accepted age of accountability of 13. Your son is 5....he has a free pass.

If he can Comprehend riding his fourwheeler, Play t-ball, Play soccer,Talk on the phone,Dress himself<put his shoes on,Knows his alphabet,Spells,reads,Writes, and out play me and his mom on the Wii.

He can Get saved, It's not complicated, it's simple really, But my point was i just want to make sure he gets it first, then if he chooses he'll get saved.

I hope im saying this correctly. Nothing else will change in his life, he will still be a kid and do things kids do, i feel that some are thinking into this more than they realize.

When i got saved only thing changed for me was really just that i want to do what God has for me, He has allowed me to use my talents to serve him, There is nothing better IMO, i dont miss Anything i used to do, really, i was changed from the inside out. And i still love motorsports!

[XLR8R]

God & music aren't miles apart... show me a world without the one & I'll show you a world without the other.

Originally Posted by LReiff

If your son makes a commitment without having to make any changes in the way he lives, meaning that he's not old enough to be into any serious sins

All sin is serious in the eyes of God - and it's His opinion that counts.

Originally Posted by LReiff

For the record. I do not know Wade nor have I ever met him, I've never bought a thing from him and I've never once talked to him other than making a direct post here. I was brought up in a christian home and was brain washed at a young age. I speak from first hand experience so take it for what it's worth.

I don't know Wade either, although I think he could drive a monkey crazy... but God loves him, and I respect Wade for confessing Christ.

I too was raised in a Christian home, and remember being jealous for the joy in my family's lives; by my 11th birthday, my first hand experience led me to ask Jesus into my heart.

Originally Posted by DIESEL_POWER

Personally i wish i got saved sooner, i would not have done half the things i did. im ashamed of my past, but Christ has brought me thru that, now i have a future to look forward to.

I put my trust and security in The one and only infalable Jesus Christ. Christ has never left my side nore will he. The bible says i can do ALL things through Christ which strengtheneth me, This i truely believe, and live it daily.

My son see's the evidence of Christ in my life and he wants what i have, besides it's a free gift...Why woulden't anyone want it. We dont deserve it, but Christ freely gives it to us, because he loves us. All we have to do is Believe, Repent, Accept, your life will change before your eyes. Christ has changed my life 360*.....And im alive to tell about it! Amen to that.

I'm not ashamed of my past, though there are a few regrets I use to improve my future... most of the valuable lessons I've learned have resulted from failure of some kind.
With the gift of God's grace there is no condemnation added.

Originally Posted by Lucky Jeff

I've tried real hard to understand religion and why people make these types of choices. Threads like this make me realize why I could never be religious.

You understand religion - that's why you don't like it (and neither do I)... although I'm very religious about dropping a pair of dueces every morning, working in the shop 'til dark, having beer with my pizza, etc.

Many people don't realize that Christianity isn't a theology, social group or code of behavior - it's nothing less & nothing more (for what could be greater?) than a personal relationship with He who created me... and you.
Sure, I know God ... and happy to say it - but what's truly cool is that He knows me!

Originally Posted by JasonCzerak

but, to be saved you need to fully under..... never mind.

I'll be saved for 40 years before long... and I still don't fully understand.
I'm just glad He is, and enjoys hearing from me.

[LReiff]

Originally Posted by DIESEL_POWER

...Nothing else will change in his life, he will still be a kid and do things kids do...

You win!

Originally Posted by XLR8R

All sin is serious in the eyes of God - and it's His opinion that counts.

It sure is! I didn't say that right. Rich brought out the point I was trying to make...age of accountability...

[RonA]

While it's annoying to get a sermon in the general discussion section of a diesel forum, i find it somewhat comical that people go out of their way to click into a diesels for Christ section and blast people for their religious goings ons. If it was the Ford section and a chevy guy came in and started bashing Fords, how would it be handled?

[SHughes]

Originally Posted by RonA

While it's annoying to get a sermon in the general discussion section of a diesel forum, i find it somewhat comical that people go out of their way to click into a diesels for Christ section and blast people for their religious goings ons. If it was the Ford section and a chevy guy came in and started bashing Fords, how would it be handled?

Exactly the point I was trying to make earlier, just not so eloquent.

[RedBowTies88]

saved??









teach your kids to be good people...thats all the "saving" they need

[Snedge]

Originally Posted by RonA

If it was the Ford section and a chevy guy came in and started bashing Fords, how would it be handled?

There's a Ford section?