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12-28-2017, 01:14 AM
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Name: farmtruck09
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Single for 800-900 hp range dd
Pulling the motor out. 700 is fun but I wanna go more and build it right. Torn between 467.7 /83, 468/83, or 471/83 .... any other suggestions? Fuel will be 180-200 hp industrials (stock bodies have 50,000 miles) so balance flow w nozzle. And a 12mm bd cp3, w flowmax 950 lift. Motor built bottom to top. Don’t tow much, but might occasionally if 12v is down.
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12-28-2017, 02:04 AM
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Name: Poulina
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800-900 isn’t going to be fun in a g56 single charger truck.
But... 76/96 with a 1.15 ex housing might make me giggle from time to time
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12-28-2017, 08:29 AM
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Name: zfaylor
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Most every "468" on the market is the 467.7
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12-28-2017, 08:54 AM
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Name: RyanMayo
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Originally Posted by zfaylor
Most every "468" on the market is the 467.7
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That's an awfully broad statement to make... to my eye, the offerings from Infinite, forced inductions, and Fleece all look like proprietary designs.
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12-28-2017, 09:16 AM
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Name: zfaylor
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Originally Posted by RyanMayo
That's an awfully broad statement to make... to my eye, the offerings from Infinite, forced inductions, and Fleece all look like proprietary designs.
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The OP stating 467.7 and 468 is an awfully broad realm of possibilities. We were simply speaking about size here. Unless I missed where the OP stated a specific brand/performance company? Un-tangle your panties. Nobody was harmed anywhere in that .3mm
I am sure somebody has a true 468 but we have had several "468" in for overhaul that were a 67.7mm turbocharger.
Most every 468 on the market is a 467.7
Is that better?
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12-28-2017, 09:38 AM
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Name: RyanMayo
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Lol...
Your statement, "Most every "468" on the market is the 467.7" comes off like you're saying other companies are just re-branding a box charger as their own. That's how it read to me. And I'm sure that happens, but I also think there are companies that put in more work than that.
Thanks for your concern about my undergarments.
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12-28-2017, 09:46 AM
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Name: zfaylor
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RyanMayo
Lol...
Your statement, "Most every "468" on the market is the 467.7" comes off like you're saying other companies are just re-branding a box charger as their own. That's how it read to me. And I'm sure that happens, but I also think there are companies that put in more work than that.
Thanks for your concern about my undergarments.
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I agree I used piss poor wording. More companies do in fact re brand box chargers than people realize but the companies you listed do tend to genuinely do more.
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12-28-2017, 10:55 AM
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Name: farmtruck09
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Originally Posted by Poulina
800-900 isn’t going to be fun in a g56 single charger truck.
But... 76/96 with a 1.15 ex housing might make me giggle from time to time
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Maybe just update the cast 467.7 to billet or fmw etc etc. ? See lotta guys getting decent numbers on 467.7. I do love how it drives no doubt.
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12-28-2017, 03:47 PM
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Name: farmtruck09
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Looks like 472/87/.100 is money. Stainless, fleece and few others say it’s a monster on 6.7 w g56. Good enough for me
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12-28-2017, 04:40 PM
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Name: RyanMayo
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My 2 cents...
Box 467.7 chargers have been making 800+ for years
I dont put a lot of stock in nozzle swaps. My truck had industrial r1 nozzles when I bought it; swapping to 100hp motorsport injectors made the truck run noticeably cleaner and smoother.
If it were my money, I'd keep your current turbo and talk to exergy or s&s about some real injectors. If it turns out to not be enough air, that's an easier upgrade down the road.
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12-28-2017, 09:48 PM
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Name: ramthiscummins
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Poulina
800-900 isn’t going to be fun in a g56 single charger truck.
But... 76/96 with a 1.15 ex housing might make me giggle from time to time
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Have you got the 68 from forced inductions back yet and in your truck?
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12-28-2017, 11:13 PM
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Name: farmtruck09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RyanMayo
My 2 cents...
Box 467.7 chargers have been making 800+ for years
I dont put a lot of stock in nozzle swaps. My truck had industrial r1 nozzles when I bought it; swapping to 100hp motorsport injectors made the truck run noticeably cleaner and smoother.
If it were my money, I'd keep your current turbo and talk to exergy or s&s about some real injectors. If it turns out to not be enough air, that's an easier upgrade down the road.
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Was considering this, thought maybe leave room to grow later with more air. My bd 12mm should provide plenty I would think
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12-28-2017, 11:23 PM
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Name: farmtruck09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RyanMayo
My 2 cents...
Box 467.7 chargers have been making 800+ for years
I dont put a lot of stock in nozzle swaps. My truck had industrial r1 nozzles when I bought it; swapping to 100hp motorsport injectors made the truck run noticeably cleaner and smoother.
If it were my money, I'd keep your current turbo and talk to exergy or s&s about some real injectors. If it turns out to not be enough air, that's an easier upgrade down the road.
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Drive pressure goes whacky though. And need 87mm to go higher
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12-28-2017, 11:29 PM
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Name: farmtruck09
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Originally Posted by blackmega3500
EFR wheels from forced are phenomenal and it's worth seeing if he Makes them in the 72! Though I would hate a hand shaker with that large of a turbine/ housing combo. Plus with only 180-200hp injectors that'd be the industrial R3's if you did that, you may consider going bigger and tuning them.
Personally, I hated running a 72mm turbo. Just throwing that out there.....
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So you’re saying I need twins lol? Was trying to avoid breaking stuff and torque as soon as pedal smashes. My 12v does that well now lol
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12-29-2017, 08:16 PM
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Name: Poulina
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Have you got the 68 from forced inductions back yet and in your truck?
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No, just got the engine back from the machine shop.
Jose has had my charger for almost a month, hasn’t called yet asking for money so I suppose it’s not done. In my experience FI has the turnaround time of a dog turd rolling down a rocky slope. But it’s the holidays and they’re probably swamped so I understand.
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12-30-2017, 11:14 AM
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Name: ndaniels
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Originally Posted by farmtruck09
Drive pressure goes whacky though. And need 87mm to go higher
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This is why I just picked up a cast 467/87/.9 from FI to replace my cast 67/83/.9.
Tried a larger exhaust housing on the 83 (1.1) and lost more than I gained all around. I'd have to look thru my notes to see how much drive pressure I lost, but it was only a couple psi iirc. Not enough to justify the added lag (I tow). I'm expecting good things with the 87, but it'll be a while until I get it on and dynoed again- with much better tuning this time around, but can probably do a pull with my old tuning to compare apples to apples.
The 472sxe really interest me but I don't need that much air. For a truck shooting for 800-900, it might just be the ticket... whatever you do, I'd def go bigger than 83 on the turbine side.
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12-31-2017, 01:00 AM
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Name: SixOhh
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Originally Posted by RyanMayo
My 2 cents...
Box 467.7 chargers have been making 800+ for years
I dont put a lot of stock in nozzle swaps. My truck had industrial r1 nozzles when I bought it; swapping to 100hp motorsport injectors made the truck run noticeably cleaner and smoother.
If it were my money, I'd keep your current turbo and talk to exergy or s&s about some real injectors. If it turns out to not be enough air, that's an easier upgrade down the road.
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i couldn't agree more.
i have not been impressed with industrial, to me they are down there with DDP as far as cleanliness goes. one thing ive leaned... BALANCE IS EVERYTHING!!!!! ive swapped out a few mostly stock trucks that had DDP 50's in them and went to exergy 50's and half the smoke is gone and the charger is soooo much happier.
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01-01-2018, 09:44 PM
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Name: farmtruck09
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Originally Posted by SixOhh
i couldn't agree more.
i have not been impressed with industrial, to me they are down there with DDP as far as cleanliness goes. one thing ive leaned... BALANCE IS EVERYTHING!!!!! ive swapped out a few mostly stock trucks that had DDP 50's in them and went to exergy 50's and half the smoke is gone and the charger is soooo much happier.
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Been hearing lotta great things on exergy. Prob be the next pump I’d buy too.
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01-03-2018, 09:23 AM
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Name: ramthiscummins
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Originally Posted by SixOhh
i couldn't agree more.
i have not been impressed with industrial, to me they are down there with DDP as far as cleanliness goes. one thing ive leaned... BALANCE IS EVERYTHING!!!!! ive swapped out a few mostly stock trucks that had DDP 50's in them and went to exergy 50's and half the smoke is gone and the charger is soooo much happier.
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Dynomite diesel has come along way. Not sure how recent you swapped injectors but they balance just as good as exergy and S&S.
Kingspeed, Armor Inc, dustin jackson, the fleece performance ucc truck, and many others wouldn't run them if they weren't good.
They are also very easy to work with. If you aren't satisfied 100% they will work with you to fix any issues. For example, I had a set of new super mentals for my 2003 cummins which I sold for a 2006 cummins, they worked with me on the price of balancing and swapping new nozzles to the bodies that I had.
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01-03-2018, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by farmtruck09
Maybe just update the cast 467.7 to billet or fmw etc etc. ? See lotta guys getting decent numbers on 467.7. I do love how it drives no doubt.
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I talked to FI about this as my 67.7 FMW had some nicks, I was told the cast wheel makes the same power as the FMW, just a lot cheaper.
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