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Jff24Gordn · 07-23-2007, 04:01 PM

How much fuel does your pump push?
Mine ran 380 today with a stock plate, 4k gsk and cut delivery valves. Then he went to work on it. I'll have some more ##s tomorrow.

*Bobcat698* · 07-23-2007, 04:57 PM

My tow rig pump pushes 460cc.

joefarmer · 07-23-2007, 11:29 PM

0cc. I don't have a pump right now.

Jff24Gordn · 07-24-2007, 05:41 AM

Still, its been apart for a month and a half. You gonna have it ready for Houston?

Jim Fulmer · 07-24-2007, 05:54 AM

You can make a whole bunch of power with 450cc's, If memory serves me correctly my 887 pump is not over 500, more like 450.

Jim

Jff24Gordn · 07-24-2007, 06:25 AM

Its a lot easier to get the pump to flow way too much and turn it down to where you need it, than to find out you are about 50hp short of fuel and need to get it re-calibrated again.
Or just burn the motor up with 600cc's.

*Bobcat698* · 07-24-2007, 07:21 AM

I was cleaning 460cc's up with the 887 pump on my pulling truck.. Check it out:

Click here to see Video
What would you guess I was making for power with that much fuel Jim?

Cummins Express · 07-24-2007, 07:47 AM

I want to say mine was around 500cc with those dv's I dont rember any more lol hope they work out for you

WAYNES WORLD · 07-24-2007, 09:10 AM

Jff24Gordn,

My pump is sitting on the bench as we speak.

But in the truck, 490 cc.

You may want to put in a seperate pusher pump to fuel your inbound fuel line so it doesn't run out of pressure at the big end of the track with those CC's.

WAYNES WORLD

5ninef250 · 07-24-2007, 12:56 PM

I was told a 913 with no plate will move around 500cc's does that sound right?

*Bobcat698* · 07-24-2007, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5ninef250

I was told a 913 with no plate will move around 500cc's does that sound right?

Sounds quite high.

gotta12v · 07-24-2007, 01:42 PM

my 913 did 465 with cut dv's and a 100 plate set at 17mm travel
set at 21mm travel (no plate) it was close to 600 (like 580) but in a 913 anything over 17mm travel is fruitless due to the notches in the plungers.

also steve robbins dynoed 840hp on nitrous on 460cc

oldsmokey97 · 07-25-2007, 11:02 PM

what do yall think my 180 pump is pushing???

0 plate full foreward, custom rack travel plug (rack does not hit the plug at WOT. I know, i know, i'm just asking for the rack to hang), lasercuts, 4k gsk, seriously modded afc

Lance

Jim Fulmer · 07-26-2007, 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gotta12v

my 913 did 465 with cut dv's and a 100 plate set at 17mm travel
set at 21mm travel (no plate) it was close to 600 (like 580) but in a 913 anything over 17mm travel is fruitless due to the notches in the plungers.

also steve robbins dynoed 840hp on nitrous on 460cc

Sounds about right! The thought of no more than 17mm's of rack on a 215 pump is not always correct!

On my 180 pump way back in the day was at 488! Seems a little high to me now! I was then told they got 533 out of it on the stand........cut plate and cut DV's.

Jim

inline6359 · 07-26-2007, 04:24 PM

so if anything over 17mm in my 913 is fruitless then will it hurt anything to have higher then that. Like performance wise? i have no plate, cut anaroid, and 1 small other mod to increase travel.

how many CC's could i get without benching my pump? And there any way to get flow without benching the pump?

KTA-Cummins · 07-26-2007, 09:30 PM

Flow cc's are subjective. Yall must flow your pumps with no orifice in the test nozzle, or no test nozzle at all. You clean up 460cc thats a solid 900hp. I however don't think you were making that kind of power, so the pump stand must be generous for some reason, perhaps they tested it at idle. VERY few pump shops actually have a test stand to run a big pump at full fuel to test it. It takes a 50hp test stand to pack a 1000cc pump LEGIT. Most diesel shops have a 20hp stand at best so anything over 400cc they can't realy test unless they are somehow reducing the load either by turning the pump slower or by putting a bigger test nozzle in. I wonder how big a test stand II has I am shure its a 50hp now that I have said thats what it takes.

Jff24Gordn · 07-27-2007, 05:17 AM

My little old 866 pump now flows about 500cc on a 20hp stand. And like Brian said, their stand was out of power, so thats a close number.

Jim Fulmer · 07-27-2007, 05:43 AM

Quote:

I wonder how big a test stand II has I am shure its a 50hp

It's big but not 50 hp, I do know that it is as big as it is not for our little P-Pumps but bigger pumps from say an earth mover type setup!

I know when they ran my 13mm pump back in the day it was like 715 and dropped off to 680 or 660 till break away at 5K. Then at 850 on #2 there was still plenty of fuel to clean up!

Can a 12V actually clean up? I'd say I doubt it without N2O unless someone gets a REAL cylinder head instead of this play toy stuff.

Jim

Jetpilot · 08-23-2007, 07:48 PM

Hmmm, I know a shop that has a 100HP test stand......

*Soup Nazi* · 08-23-2007, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KTA-Cummins

Flow cc's are subjective. Yall must flow your pumps with no orifice in the test nozzle, or no test nozzle at all. You clean up 460cc thats a solid 900hp. I however don't think you were making that kind of power, so the pump stand must be generous for some reason, perhaps they tested it at idle. VERY few pump shops actually have a test stand to run a big pump at full fuel to test it. It takes a 50hp test stand to pack a 1000cc pump LEGIT. Most diesel shops have a 20hp stand at best so anything over 400cc they can't realy test unless they are somehow reducing the load either by turning the pump slower or by putting a bigger test nozzle in. I wonder how big a test stand II has I am shure its a 50hp now that I have said thats what it takes.

OMG, we agree! Marking my calender and writting this in my log book now!!!!!!!

Some shops and their testing methods leave me feeling rather, welll.........confused

07-23-2007, 11:29 PM	#3
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07-24-2007, 05:54 AM	#5
Jim Fulmer Name: Jim Fulmer Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2006 Location: Quanah Tx. Member`s Gallery Posts: 5,013	You can make a whole bunch of power with 450cc's, If memory serves me correctly my 887 pump is not over 500, more like 450. Jim __________________ 01' 12V, S/B, Q/C, 4WD 98' 12V, S/B, Q/C, 2WD

07-24-2007, 07:21 AM	#7
Bobcat698 Name: Bobcat698 Title: Pure Diesel Power Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Marshfield, WI Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,229	I was cleaning 460cc's up with the 887 pump on my pulling truck.. Check it out: Click here to see Video What would you guess I was making for power with that much fuel Jim? __________________ Pure Diesel Power 715-254-1833

07-24-2007, 09:10 AM	#9
WAYNES WORLD Name: WAYNES WORLD Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Justice, Il. Member`s Gallery Posts: 413	pump CC's Jff24Gordn, My pump is sitting on the bench as we speak. But in the truck, 490 cc. You may want to put in a seperate pusher pump to fuel your inbound fuel line so it doesn't run out of pressure at the big end of the track with those CC's. WAYNES WORLD

07-25-2007, 11:02 PM	#13
oldsmokey97 Name: oldsmokey97 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2006 Member`s Gallery Posts: 744	what do yall think my 180 pump is pushing??? 0 plate full foreward, custom rack travel plug (rack does not hit the plug at WOT. I know, i know, i'm just asking for the rack to hang), lasercuts, 4k gsk, seriously modded afc Lance __________________ COMPETITIONDIESEL.COM Bringing the BEST Together

07-23-2007, 04:57 PM	#2
Bobcat698 Name: Bobcat698 Title: Pure Diesel Power Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Marshfield, WI Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,229	My tow rig pump pushes 460cc. __________________ Pure Diesel Power 715-254-1833

07-24-2007, 07:47 AM	#8
Cummins Express Name: Cummins Express Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: west alexandria ohio Member`s Gallery Posts: 913	I want to say mine was around 500cc with those dv's I dont rember any more lol hope they work out for you

07-24-2007, 12:56 PM	#10
5ninef250 Name: 5ninef250 Title: Dust Sprayer Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Chillicothe, IL Member`s Gallery Posts: 240	I was told a 913 with no plate will move around 500cc's does that sound right?

07-24-2007, 01:42 PM	#12
gotta12v Name: gotta12v Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Fayette MO Member`s Gallery Posts: 435	my 913 did 465 with cut dv's and a 100 plate set at 17mm travel set at 21mm travel (no plate) it was close to 600 (like 580) but in a 913 anything over 17mm travel is fruitless due to the notches in the plungers. also steve robbins dynoed 840hp on nitrous on 460cc

07-26-2007, 04:24 PM	#15
inline6359 Name: inline6359 Title: Microwaving cats since 01 Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Western PA Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,043	so if anything over 17mm in my 913 is fruitless then will it hurt anything to have higher then that. Like performance wise? i have no plate, cut anaroid, and 1 small other mod to increase travel. how many CC's could i get without benching my pump? And there any way to get flow without benching the pump? __________________ "If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it"-Einstein

07-26-2007, 09:30 PM	#16
KTA-Cummins Name: KTA-Cummins Title: Diesel Doctor Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Shelby County, Ky Member`s Gallery Posts: 203	Flow cc's are subjective. Yall must flow your pumps with no orifice in the test nozzle, or no test nozzle at all. You clean up 460cc thats a solid 900hp. I however don't think you were making that kind of power, so the pump stand must be generous for some reason, perhaps they tested it at idle. VERY few pump shops actually have a test stand to run a big pump at full fuel to test it. It takes a 50hp test stand to pack a 1000cc pump LEGIT. Most diesel shops have a 20hp stand at best so anything over 400cc they can't realy test unless they are somehow reducing the load either by turning the pump slower or by putting a bigger test nozzle in. I wonder how big a test stand II has I am shure its a 50hp now that I have said thats what it takes.

08-23-2007, 07:48 PM	#19
Jetpilot Name: Jetpilot Title: Got Fuel Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hershey, PA Member`s Gallery Posts: 770	Hmmm, I know a shop that has a 100HP test stand...... __________________ 2007 Mega-Cab 5.9L, With a few extra parts.....