10 second 1st gen

At what point is too much injector going to “drain” the pump and not have the ability to atomized the fuel or too small of an injector will not allow the pump to flow what it needs for full power?

Straight up honest question, I’m not setting bait for a dispute or shaming. Or if it’s a stupid question go ahead and shame me but give a valid point. Just seems we have a few old school VE guys watching this thread and maybe they’ll chime in?
 
smokinVE said:
At what point is too much injector going to “drain” the pump and not have the ability to atomized the fuel or too small of an injector will not allow the pump to flow what it needs for full power?

Straight up honest question, I’m not setting bait for a dispute or shaming. Or if it’s a stupid question go ahead and shame me but give a valid point. Just seems we have a few old school VE guys watching this thread and maybe they’ll chime in?
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If 5x25s won't do it, I don't know what would. Granted I'm 14mm but still. That's a big injector. I've never told anyone this, but I'm actually running a very low pop pressure to get as much fuel in as I could with nitrous. Seemed to work, or at least didn't hurt!
 
That was one of the tricks on the old IDI fords. Low pop pressure to get more fuel out of the DB2 injection pumps.
 
JQmile said:
If 5x25s won't do it, I don't know what would. Granted I'm 14mm but still. That's a big injector. I've never told anyone this, but I'm actually running a very low pop pressure to get as much fuel in as I could with nitrous. Seemed to work, or at least didn't hurt!
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Did you happen to have case pressure readings? Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t your 14 have pinned timing?

Very interesting on the low pop pressures. How low were you?
 
I am looking for a h1c or hx35 if anybody has one
 
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I was talking to my pet bird "Alfonse" this morning about my plans for building a 10 second first gen. I told him that it would be much more meaningful if I did it with all stock parts, and no outside help from knowledgeable diesel shops. My pet bird Alfonse said, "cheep".
 
RonA said:
I was talking to my pet bird "Alfonse" this morning about my plans for building a 10 second first gen. I told him that it would be much more meaningful if I did it with all stock parts, and no outside help from knowledgeable diesel shops. My pet bird Alfonse said, "cheep".
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:hehe:
 
RonA said:
I was talking to my pet bird "Alfonse" this morning about my plans for building a 10 second first gen. I told him that it would be much more meaningful if I did it with all stock parts, and no outside help from knowledgeable diesel shops. My pet bird Alfonse said, "cheep".
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There's no need to buy aftermarket parts if i haven't found the limits of stock parts. Im not trying to be like everyone else and have thousands apon thousands of dollars in a truck that is still slow and makes no power.
 
The bullschit this guy is putting out is just about to over come the tops of these.

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Next we'll be donning this set-up, with a breathing apparatus:

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c12h26 said:
There's no need to buy aftermarket parts if i haven't found the limits of stock parts. Im not trying to be like everyone else and have thousands apon thousands of dollars in a truck that is still slow and makes no power.
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Think we can all agree you wont be able to do it cheaper then Big_Blue24. That was a p-pump, lock up, inter-cooled and still didn't hit 10's with stock fuel pump and injectors. Not a chance a stock VE will do it.
 
c12h26 said:
There's no need to buy aftermarket parts if i haven't found the limits of stock parts. Im not trying to be like everyone else and have thousands apon thousands of dollars in a truck that is still slow and makes no power.
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Nothing wrong with having a plan and sticking to it.
 
coal_roller13 said:
Think we can all agree you wont be able to do it cheaper then Big_Blue24. That was a p-pump, lock up, inter-cooled and still didn't hit 10's with stock fuel pump and injectors. Not a chance a stock VE will do it.
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Look what i have already done with just basic pump modifications and nitrous lol
 
c12h26 said:
Look what i have already done with just basic pump modifications and nitrous lol
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I know of 2 instances I have personally seen the stock injectors making 385hp and 405hp on a dyno. That is as maxed out as I believe you can get with the stockers.
 
coal_roller13 said:
I know of 2 instances I have personally seen the stock injectors making 385hp and 405hp on a dyno. That is as maxed out as I believe you can get with the stockers.
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I've never had that truck on the dyno but the HP calculator says 425 just saying, and i know there's more in it
 
c12h26 said:
I've never had that truck on the dyno but the HP calculator says 425 just saying, and i know there's more in it
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but in post #13 you said you also used N02.
I'm talking strictly fuel.
And that is 425 at the fly not to the wheels.
 
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c12h26 said:
Look what i have already done with just basic pump modifications and nitrous lol
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Okay, let’s do that.
The following are all your words.

made close to 450hp with an all but stock truck and some nitrous
450hp was with stock injectors
ran low 12's with nothing done to suspension just a good tire.
drag raced a 1st gen and has gone a fast
12.3
found the rpm limit of the 727 and stock 3.07 gearing

First off. BOOM !!!

Bponci said:
A little cocky? May want to think before you speak. I bet your so young that your nuts haven’t even dropped yet. There always someone out there in this world smarter. Give respect and keep a open mind. We all can learn from each other.
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Secondly

I promise that what you’ve done equals, how do I say it... Nothing special.
I can assure you the limits of these engines, with nothing but fukalated stock parts, were discovered before there ever was a second gen. A lot of folks were very excited to see the P7100 come available in 1994.

PS: If you are a troll, thanks for the entertainment, you’re pretty good at it.
 
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coal_roller13 said:
but in post #13 you said you also used N02.
I'm talking strictly fuel.
And that is 425 at the fly not to the wheels.
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My 65 made 430 with stock injectors and a s366 no nitrous. Post #13 was the 89 d250. And yes that 425 is whp bud.
 
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