I'm done

so you didn't sell it after all the talk of getting rid of it?
 
Nope!

9 LIVES said:
so you didn't sell it after all the talk of getting rid of it?
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Never did try to sell it. Seriously tried the stock thingy though. I like laying waste too much.

Tks, displacedtexan. I appreciate the encouragement.

I forgot a couple folks earlier I want to thank. Dane Porgelis (sp?) and Don M.
 
First post on this forum-
I have to know, did you ever get settlement or did the shop make it right before taking it to court?
By the way, I'm not new to diesels but just stumbled on this kick ass forum.
 
CK your PM

me1magoo said:
First post on this forum-
I have to know, did you ever get settlement or did the shop make it right before taking it to court?
By the way, I'm not new to diesels but just stumbled on this kick ass forum.
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See PM.
 
Note- OT is WAY nicer and more patient than I am. I hope some folks have noticed that since last year.
 
Really it's simple,......

I LOVE my truck. I have a passion for my truck. It's not just a truck TO ME. Everything I have ever done on my truck I have paid only to have the BEST quality work be done on it. I paid for it but I didn't get it. And the message here for everyone is that when you leave your truck with dishonest people then they can take your truck out without your knowledge and you may not get back what you dropped off for them to work on. It's just a fact that either jealousy or intrigue about a truck like that is too much for some to overcome and they want to see what it will do,... but they don't own it,... and in this case THEY didn't pay for their F-up. Not all garages are like this, but some are. Be careful!!
 
^^ I agree.

At the point many of us find ourselves, with equal or greater than book value in aftermarket add-ons, it becomes more than just a truck.

Trustworthy people are hard to find. I turn my own wrenches whenever I have the time or ability. When I can't there's only a few people on this earth I'd leave it with and feel comfortable.

If you wouldn't feel comfortable leaving this person alone with your lady, you shouldn't leave your truck with em either.

Glad to see you couldn't shake the diesel performance itch. It's an expensive one to scratch, but gawd it feels good when you can. LOL
 
After reading it all, i may have missed it, sorry if i did, but did you end up getting anything back out of the shop? labor, parts, anything? i was just curious...

I also have to agree, OT-OF-Here has a lot more patience than i do aswell.. i would have lost it and gone ape-sh!t
 
That is one reason why i do most of my own stuff and if i cant do it i will get one of my buddies who knows what their doing and help them that way i know how to do it next time... I have never let ANYONE even change my oil... I have seen it too many times that some teenager working at jiffy lube or valvoline use an impact on the drain plug and strip it out... put some rtv silicon on it and jsut call it good.... and then claim that they didnt do it... i couldnt imagine this happening...
 
Actually,...

JTProuhet said:
After reading it all, i may have missed it, sorry if i did, but did you end up getting anything back out of the shop? labor, parts, anything? i was just curious...

I also have to agree, OT-OF-Here has a lot more patience than i do aswell.. i would have lost it and gone ape-sh!t
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I am NOT known for my patience. However I am known for making good decisions that could impact the rest of my life. Everything that may have crossed your mind,... I thought of. Paying money is one thing,.. paying for it the rest of my life is another. I have too many brain cells left to do what many think I should have. I've lived long enough to know things that come around go around. He'll get his and for what it's worth,.. the sooner the better.

And what is really depressing to me is that I know this thing has happened to others and this is NOT an isolated case by no means. I just spoke to a major retailer on this and all the diesels sites and he told me that he was aware of a similar situation that had happened recently involving the same person and shop. There were MANY instances of that I was made aware of things like this that he did and for some reason is still in business. What a shame. He is a disgrace to the whole industry IMO.

The legalities will need to be my business, sorry. I however appreciate your intrest.
 
OT-OF-Here said:
I forgot about this particular thread and I was gone for a bit.

My local shop had the truck for two elec problems. They decided to change my s-06 smarty to 4k rpm level and see how the truck ran considering they know it's a rocket. They took it out "cold" and ran it. At 4k rpm cold it blew a soft plug in the head (freeze plug like plugs,.. 11, or 12 in our heads) and when it blows then you immediately flood the crankcase with antifreeze,.. as in ALL the antifreeze. They changed the oil and replaced the plug and called it a day. I knew better and thank God I had it tore down since they told me they didn't know me anymore. The crank has to be turned .010, the bearings (all) were shot,.. a few rings in the cylinder that the plug blew,.. 1 piston,.. a hone job on the cylinders,.. the cam was shot and the cam bearings.

With that I had to throw in the towel. Just too much BS and NO responsible shops in the area,.. so you all know you have to have a shop you have confidence in or what's the use. If you'd take this truck to any regular shop they wouldn't know what half the stuff is.

Well also found evidence of shoddy work on other things that I had done there. I will not yet identify the shop as I want to get all the work done and give them an opportunity to make it right. If not,................

My NEW tech said two more weeks with all the machine shop stuff. Going stock and selling everything. Fortunately I kept all my stock stuff. This truck was a monster and I really loved my truck as do many of you,.. I don't know if I can stand to drive it stock,.. but I'll find out. If not,.. new truck.

Pat
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Sounds to me that you should do your own work and it would'nt have happen!
 
I finaly read this thread and have no dog in the fight, however, I can shed a new perspective on this:

Someone explain to me how it is easier for a freeze plug to pop out when the engine is cold haveing tighter tollerances?

And doesnt the CR computer have cold engine protection in it? Or does the smarty over ride that?

Im sorry, I just dont see one cold WOT pass having the ability to pop a freeze plug like that. And will the engine cold the coolant has less pressure......

My engine had been ran cold to 4k many times, never poped a freeze plug. I didnt have the advantage of a computer controled timing, a clipped pump, electric pump, or a by-pass kit. It never done it hot either.

Honestly, you took a preformance diesel truck to a preformance diesel shop. And it blew up. Assuming they did load the 4k tune in it and do what you said, I still dont see this as 100% their fault. They tested your truck, LIKE A PREFORMANCE SHOP SHOULD. Im willing to bet if they grandma'd your damn truck around and nothing happend, then you picked it up and it blew the plug it would still be the fault of them. "they did something"

Or better yet, you make a WOT pass after they grandma's the stupid thing and your problem comes back. You would take it back to them and ***** about that.

Seriously, WTF do you think they should do too it?

If a car comes back to me for a problem, I replicate it like the owner said, find and fix it, then flog the snot out of the car too make sure it dont come back. Every tech I know does the same thing.

Lets see here....
Ive got a Mazda 3 that drove in here for a door replacment, it left on a roll back. New door, fuel pump is out, wont start.....owner is cool with it, they understand.

I have a 05 Civic, new fender, bumper, and its a light hit. Owner brings it back (pissed) saying the keyless system dont work.....its aftermarket....the damn battery in the remote is bad. Yea, I (the shop) did that.

That was in the last 2 days.

Or the b!tch saying we changed her rims, or the douche saying we put the wrong bumper on his precious Porsche (even though it was the same one that came off of it had a damn VIN on it) or the brakes that we wore out, ect ect

I could type my own damn forum on people that blame the shop for breaking chit that has either been broke for years, or just happend to be in the shop at the time it broke.

Think of it like this:

You take an engine shop, "it has a stumble". They try to find it and the engine spits a rod. Is it really any different?

You own a hot rod, it broke while at the shop, suck it up and go the hell on.

And yes I know you didnt start this thread to ***** about it. And yes, I wasnt far behind you on power.
 
Roachie

As you know,.. heat makes things expand. These are not freeze plugs in the true since of the word. They are called soft plugs and you have 11 or 12 in the interior of your head. It's worse than a freeze plug when it goes as it pumps ALL your antifreeze into the oil in a matter of a few minutes. If you don't believe this is a problem then I can't believe you claim to be a mechanic. Call a Cummins or Dodge dealer and ask 'em if running a cold engine at 4k rpm and blowing one of these is catasthropic. Please!

I never brought all this up AGAIN,.. someone else did and I am finishing it though. Too many fix your own mechanics who don't understand the issues a customer has when leaving their vehicle and some yahoo takes it for a spin and blows the thing.

The next time you go to the hospital for surgery and the guy takes the wrong thing out and leaves you without your nads then I will be the 1st to say you should have performed your own surgery if you want to be sure it's done right. Enough already!!!
 
OT-OF-Here said:
As you know,.. heat makes things expand. These are not freeze plugs in the true since of the word. They are called soft plugs and you have 11 or 12 in the interior of your head. It's worse than a freeze plug when it goes as it pumps ALL your antifreeze into the oil in a matter of a few minutes. If you don't believe this is a problem then I can't believe you claim to be a mechanic. Call a Cummins or Dodge dealer and ask 'em if running a cold engine at 4k rpm and blowing one of these is catasthropic. Please!

I never brought all this up AGAIN,.. someone else did and I am finishing it though. Too many fix your own mechanics who don't understand the issues a customer has when leaving their vehicle and some yahoo takes it for a spin and blows the thing.

The next time you go to the hospital for surgery and the guy takes the wrong thing out and leaves you without your nads then I will be the 1st to say you should have performed your own surgery if you want to be sure it's done right. Enough already!!!
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well said. . . ,
 
IT JUST.... WON'T......... DIE!!!


A couple of things to add:

First, the CTD develops over 75psi in the coolant system at rated RPM directly after a cold start; as a matter of fact, there isn't a significant difference between hot & cold max coolant pressures at medium to high RPM.
That's why 6.7Ls have a larger water pump pulley, to reduce pressure.

Second, Murphy's Law proves that everything has to break sometime... and sometimes it breaks in the shop. After decades as a service tech I learned that once you wrench on something everything becomes your fault until the warranty expires. :bang
I don't know Pat's ex-shop, but I don't think I'd let them work on any of my parts, either.

Speaking of my parts, I definitely WILL NOT ever remove my own Nads! :hehe:
 
WOW roachie !!! YOU NEED A VACATION to chill out- good thing a long weekend is coming up!

OT and i have talked (along time ago) there is still much he didnt put on this thread as far as details.
 
roachie said:
I finaly read this thread and have no dog in the fight, however, I can shed a new perspective on this:

Someone explain to me how it is easier for a freeze plug to pop out when the engine is cold haveing tighter tollerances?

And doesnt the CR computer have cold engine protection in it? Or does the smarty over ride that?

Im sorry, I just dont see one cold WOT pass having the ability to pop a freeze plug like that. And will the engine cold the coolant has less pressure......

My engine had been ran cold to 4k many times, never poped a freeze plug. I didnt have the advantage of a computer controled timing, a clipped pump, electric pump, or a by-pass kit. It never done it hot either.

Honestly, you took a preformance diesel truck to a preformance diesel shop. And it blew up. Assuming they did load the 4k tune in it and do what you said, I still dont see this as 100% their fault. They tested your truck, LIKE A PREFORMANCE SHOP SHOULD. Im willing to bet if they grandma'd your damn truck around and nothing happend, then you picked it up and it blew the plug it would still be the fault of them. "they did something"

Or better yet, you make a WOT pass after they grandma's the stupid thing and your problem comes back. You would take it back to them and ***** about that.

Seriously, WTF do you think they should do too it?

If a car comes back to me for a problem, I replicate it like the owner said, find and fix it, then flog the snot out of the car too make sure it dont come back. Every tech I know does the same thing.

Lets see here....
Ive got a Mazda 3 that drove in here for a door replacment, it left on a roll back. New door, fuel pump is out, wont start.....owner is cool with it, they understand.

I have a 05 Civic, new fender, bumper, and its a light hit. Owner brings it back (pissed) saying the keyless system dont work.....its aftermarket....the damn battery in the remote is bad. Yea, I (the shop) did that.

That was in the last 2 days.

Or the b!tch saying we changed her rims, or the douche saying we put the wrong bumper on his precious Porsche (even though it was the same one that came off of it had a damn VIN on it) or the brakes that we wore out, ect ect

I could type my own damn forum on people that blame the shop for breaking chit that has either been broke for years, or just happend to be in the shop at the time it broke.

Think of it like this:

You take an engine shop, "it has a stumble". They try to find it and the engine spits a rod. Is it really any different?

You own a hot rod, it broke while at the shop, suck it up and go the hell on.

And yes I know you didnt start this thread to ***** about it. And yes, I wasnt far behind you on power.
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I don't think I ever heard him crying in this thread. I know it doesn't seem to bother you but I would never hot rod my engine (gas or diesel) untill it is up to opperating temp. Even when I was running IMCA modified and had engines built for racing use only I would make sure they are up to temp before I get on it hard. The engines are machined to be in correct tollerances when warm not cold. I would assume it is common sense to not hot rod a cold engine but i guess I was wrong. I am an auto tech, in the feild for 15years and I don't take my trucks or cars to have them worked on, but if I did and this same **** happened to me, I WOULD HOLD THE SHOP OWNER RESPONSABLE ALSO. He should have known not to drive it like that when it was cold. If it was warm and the plug popped out then I think he was just testdriving it to make sure it was fixed correctly, but doing it cold was just plain disregard for others property.$.02
 
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