3406E build, got questions

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My boss is buying me a replacement while my truck goes home for a rebuild and some new paint and I've talked him into boosting the juice a little on this ol girl. Engine is a 2000 model 5EK 3406E. He wants a workable 750-800 to the ground and doesn't want to have to babysit gauges on a the small hills we have in ND, would a marine cam and injectors from cat be the trick? Or is there a better way to do this?
 
There are guys out there with a lot more knowledge that I have, but I would think ECM tuning injectors and a charger will get you to 800 hp. May need the cam though to get the spool up for working.

I've never understood why everyone wants to go to a marine cam. Are they really that different in a comparable horse power application?
 
To the best of my knowledge, factory caterpillar on-highway settings never went above 625 so there isn't anything to compare to
 
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Use a Cat 3406E S:N 9WR with an Arrangement number of 131-8300. That is the 800hp marine engine.

You can possibly use that to cross over the differences in the engine. Pistons, turbo, heads, injectors, fuel system cam. That's if your doing a full over haul. Marine application vary different than on highway. Seen Marine engine last 30,000+ hrs
 
Yeah it is getting a full blown out of frame overhaul.
 
Then I would use that 9WR Arrg # 1318300. Its a 800hp Cat Factory Build. I would break down the differences for you but that takes a lot of time and im sure your dealer would love to make that counter sale.

But that is probably the most reliable and you may have to get it reflashed to change the fuel mapping or have Pittsburg Power do the ECM Work.
 
I wouldn't worry about going too crazy on hard parts. Injectors/turbo/tune will do 800, and a cam is easy to change if you decide you need to do one later.

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I figured all it would take to make a workable 750-800hp is a cam, sticks, a turbo, and a tune. Then there's other things that need done anyway like a clutch, charge air, and a radiator, he'll probably upgrade at the same time
 
I kind of forgot who we were talking about, I guess for $130/hr he can swing a cam. They'll take the stock cam for a core on the 800 hp marine cam. I wouldn't go bigger than 58 injectors or I'd be concerned about oil contamination.

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The only reason he's really going all out with this truck is because its his first truck, the one that started it all, and he wants to make a real classy ride out of it and give it some HP to go with the new look.
 
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This is the second truck he bought that he haf painted and fixed up
 
Mr.T said:
My boss is buying me a replacement while my truck goes home for a rebuild and some new paint and I've talked him into boosting the juice a little on this ol girl. Engine is a 2000 model 5EK 3406E. He wants a workable 750-800 to the ground and doesn't want to have to babysit gauges on a the small hills we have in ND, would a marine cam and injectors from cat be the trick? Or is there a better way to do this?
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800hp cam part number 130-9710, (yes it makes a big difference)
10R-0958 injectors. (Part number for new is 211-3024)
Several turbo choices around $2k.
A stock 600 file will get you to 700 easily. 800 is going to take a little more programming and less driver friendly.
 
chevota84 said:
I kind of forgot who we were talking about, I guess for $130/hr he can swing a cam. They'll take the stock cam for a core on the 800 hp marine cam. I wouldn't go bigger than 58 injectors or I'd be concerned about oil contamination.

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X2. 59's are hot smokey piston burners.
57's flow 2.82 kg/min
58's flow 3.107 kg/min
59's flow 4.7 kg/min
1000hp C18's are 5.5kg/min
 
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RockinRam96 said:
I've never understood why everyone wants to go to a marine cam. Are they really that different in a comparable horse power application?
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They are different. two main reasons. First is unlimited cooling capacity. you have the ocean as a radiator. second reason is there seems to be less emission standards for ocean bearing engines.
 
jfaulkner said:
800hp cam part number 130-9710, (yes it makes a big difference)
10R-0958 injectors. (Part number for new is 211-3024)
Several turbo choices around $2k.
A stock 600 file will get you to 700 easily. 800 is going to take a little more programming and less driver friendly.
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X2. 59's are hot smokey piston burners.
57's flow 2.82 kg/min
58's flow 3.107 kg/min
59's flow 4.7 kg/min
1000hp C18's are 5.5kg/min
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You're just the guy I was hoping for! I'm sure he'd be fine with 700. Lol
 
Mr.T said:
You're just the guy I was hoping for! I'm sure he'd be fine with 700. Lol
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The 58's came stock on the 6TS prefix so they're a truck part. The cam isn't so don't price it from a truck dealer go straight to Cat. They should take your stock cam as core with no questions. I think I could turn a Cummins cam in as core and most guys at Cat wouldn't notice. IMO buy an IPD overhaul kit with the one piece Monotherm pistons line the Acert uses. Take a bit more abuse than the stock articulated ones with alum skirts. Haven't had too good of luck with reman cat parts lately.
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This WAS a piston skirt.
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jfaulkner said:
The 58's came stock on the 6TS prefix so they're a truck part. The cam isn't so don't price it from a truck dealer go straight to Cat. They should take your stock cam as core with no questions. I think I could turn a Cummins cam in as core and most guys at Cat wouldn't notice. IMO buy an IPD overhaul kit with the one piece Monotherm pistons line the Acert uses. Take a bit more abuse than the stock articulated ones with alum skirts. Haven't had too good of luck with reman cat parts lately.
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This WAS a piston skirt.
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We are seeing the same thing, even the B model remans.

I will say that we have had some eyes on us over cam cores lately but no one has actually called us on it.

What manifold part numbers hold up better to high hp tunes?

Monkey Fist Rage
 
I wouldn't run more than a 58 on the injector, but I would probably be running the 1000 cam. That with a good 600 file should get you around 725 to the ground and you will still be able to run a stage 1 turbo, though I would be running it with the new 1.58 that is out instead of the 1.32.

800 is where the turbo selection starts to get tricky, there isn't a good single turbo for between 800-1000, I have an idea on a turbo that would work well but no one wants to be a guinea pig and try soemthing new.
 
jfaulkner said:
X2. 59's are hot smokey piston burners.
57's flow 2.82 kg/min
58's flow 3.107 kg/min
59's flow 4.7 kg/min
1000hp C18's are 5.5kg/min
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The 1,000 hp C18 injector flow part interest me. I've heard rumor it is possible to build a C18 out of a 3406 E or a C15. Any truth to that?

Sorry to derail the thread...
 
biggy238 said:
We are seeing the same thing, even the B model remans.

I will say that we have had some eyes on us over cam cores lately but no one has actually called us on it.

What manifold part numbers hold up better to high hp tunes?

Monkey Fist Rage
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Fighting with Cat over this one. 75k miles on a platinum overhaul. Either the USED skirt failed or the liner. Took out the oil pump and block too.

Exhaust manifold? PDI seems to be the only way to go. Full Tilt/Bullydog is about the same as stock. Press fit breaks studs. New PDI slides together with seals and has huge turbo mount studs. Really nice piece
 
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