2016 3.0 turbo rule changes

SmokeShow said:
So funny it wasn't that many years ago (less than 5) that everyone was saying the rules needed to be more universal across the US so trucks from all over could go to hooks all over and be playing against trucks setup for the same set of rules.

Now its opposite... need to separate the pros from the amateurs.


Just a slightly comical observance from the side line. Carry on :D
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Great observation. As the sport evolves you're going to see this. Our local org adopted the PPL rules about 4 years back and there have been a few guys that have kept up but when the numbers fell I was in alignment with the local org to drop the 2.6 class and then have a workstock and open class. NTPA picked up the 2.6 class. The workstock class has 8-15 trucks at most pulls and NTPA had 4-5 at each hook. The open class at the local level allowed those with mods to give it a try and then decide which way to go with out a lot of rules to conform too.
 
Approximate price for SCS dropbox/reverser and driveline shielding between the two is about $6k, adapter to mount reverser to bellhousing is about $275. Rearend can probably be done for $1500 nothing fancy. Sell existing transmission/transfer case setup to offset atleast half of the dropbox/reverser cost and sell rearend parts to offset price of the big rearend. Really doesn't cost much to upgrade.
 
ramtough01 said:
If people think the only advantage for ODL is longevity I think your way wrong. Example lets say you take the top running trucks in 2.6 that run stock driveline with just a plain nv4500 and he pulls 300ft now lets say you have the same horsepower truck with a open drive line and he can qwick change a gear after seeing that one run to better run the track who you think it going to put 20+ft on the other truck????? And if that always going to happen I sure as hell will just park the truck cause I am sick of spending money to try and but somewhat competive
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There's 2.6 trucks with that nv4500 from profab , your choice or 3 gear ratios , there not hard to spot the ones using them

and if want to get more fancy the Xcase can be modded
 
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ramtough01 said:
If people think the only advantage for ODL is longevity I think your way wrong. Example lets say you take the top running trucks in 2.6 that run stock driveline with just a plain nv4500 and he pulls 300ft now lets say you have the same horsepower truck with a open drive line and he can qwick change a gear after seeing that one run to better run the track who you think it going to put 20+ft on the other truck????? And if that always going to happen I sure as hell will just park the truck cause I am sick of spending money to try and but somewhat competive
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Smooth bore turbos will do way more to tighten the class up than ODL will spread it out. A close gear ratio versus the perfect gear ratio is a few feet. 200 hp is 20 feet.
 
I wouldnt rely on a smoothbore turbo to catch you back up to the front of the class.
 
bar tires will not save money it will cost a lot more to make the switch to them plus you have to have two sets and keep sending them in for shaping about every 3 hooks
 
billybob7 said:
bar tires will not save money it will cost a lot more to make the switch to them plus you have to have two sets and keep sending them in for shaping about every 3 hooks
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That is a complete lie. They will run all season and never need touched unless you want to have them done. guys that want to sharpen them every hook or every couple can knock themselves out but don't try to get people to think they have to be done to run. We have gone 2 seasons on our gas truck and never touched them. Now if you can't change the timing or set valve lash on your engine with out the builder doing it then you are probably going to have to send them in to be touched up but let's face it. If you can pay someone to take care of your engine you can afford for someone to take care of your tires every so often. Those check writers are the ones who have ruined these classes as it is!
 
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And you can sharpen your own tires anyway. It's not that hard

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It is a lot cheaper to pick a grinder up and trim a little off a tire than it is to buy new dot tires.
 
600$ per tire for 4 bar tires. Or
300$ per tire for 6 dots??????
Seems like dots are still cheaper
 
FarmDiesel22 said:
600$ per tire for 4 bar tires. Or
300$ per tire for 6 dots??????
Seems like dots are still cheaper
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Bar tires can last over 6 seasons.
Dot tires at best wear out after 1 season. The edges are rounded over and we aren't allowed to sharpen them.
That's why bar tires are cheaper.
 
JL Builders said:
Bar tires can last over 6 seasons.
Dot tires at best wear out after 1 season. The edges are rounded over and we aren't allowed to sharpen them.
That's why bar tires are cheaper.
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I'll argue that point too. I've bought a new set of Dots every year going on six years now. Always sold my old set and never lost over $300 doing so. So how much does it cost me to freshen up a set of cuts if I want to send them in to get done right?
 
I have seen guys go more than a season on dot. Rotate them so they turn the other way and get a fresh edge to bite. Put them on a street truck and do a burnout to freshen them up.
 
You can kill a set of dot's pretty fast on a bad track or spinning out at the end.

It will take about 30 minutes to sharped a bar tire if you don't let them go to long. Around 8-10 hooks depending on the tracks is normal. It isn't rocket science to put the edge back on the tire.

A bar tire makes a truck look more like a pulling truck over a street truck. It will give a different look to the 3.0 class over the 2.6 or what ever they end up being called next.
 
Reaper said:
You can kill a set of dot's pretty fast on a bad track or spinning out at the end.

It will take about 30 minutes to sharped a bar tire if you don't let them go to long. Around 8-10 hooks depending on the tracks is normal. It isn't rocket science to put the edge back on the tire.

A bar tire makes a truck look more like a pulling truck over a street truck. It will give a different look to the 3.0 class over the 2.6 or what ever they end up being called next.
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Why is that look needed? What will be the difference in 2k hp cut tire class and the superstock we already have?
 
jones95runner said:
Why is that look needed? What will be the difference in 2k hp cut tire class and the superstock we already have?
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When they drop the hammer. What's the difference between limited pro, pro stock and super stock diesel tractors? Doesn't look a whole lot different but a lot of people show up to see them.
 
Come on Oct!!!!

I am way more concerned with what the turbo rule is going to shake out to be, then whether or not some guys dont want to run cut tires even though you don't have too. The charger rule is a way bigger issue and could potentially cost way more then any set of tires
 
takedown95 said:
When they drop the hammer. What's the difference between limited pro, pro stock and super stock diesel tractors? Doesn't look a whole lot different but a lot of people show up to see them.
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Most of the time you don't see those three classes together. I agree cut tires are cool and make them look like pulling trucks. My problem is, i see our 3.0 local class as somewhat as a beginners class. 3.0 is the only thing we have here. No 2.5 no 2.6 cut tires will shy away anybody looking to get started. Granted our 3.0 isn't what ppl 3.0 is but they run pretty daMN good and most people would be surprised how cheap you can build one and be competitive as long as you keep a handle on rules.
 
jones95runner said:
Most of the time you don't see those three classes together. I agree cut tires are cool and make them look like pulling trucks. My problem is, i see our 3.0 local class as somewhat as a beginners class. 3.0 is the only thing we have here. No 2.5 no 2.6 cut tires will shy away anybody looking to get started. Granted our 3.0 isn't what ppl 3.0 is but they run pretty daMN good and most people would be surprised how cheap you can build one and be competitive as long as you keep a handle on rules.
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I was mostly being sarcastic. I can barely tell the three classes apart to be very honest. Although I do like the idea of bar tires on a 3.0 with a limit to the current levels or slightly back of HP.
 
takedown95 said:
I was mostly being sarcastic. I can barely tell the three classes apart to be very honest. Although I do like the idea of bar tires on a 3.0 with a limit to the current levels or slightly back of HP.
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Lol no hard feelings your right down here half the time a good 4.1 beats the can beat pro stocks. And some dang superfarm run with them. I don't disagree about the cut tires. We just can't do it here. We well be even more of a bastard class. And as far as turbos well keep what we got to and no more going to run anyou true 3.0 pulls
 
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