how hard is it to p pump an isl - Competition Diesel.Com

DEZLFREK · 01-21-2011, 08:29 PM

ok so we are putting an o2 isl in place of a b in my buddies chevy service truck.. so we think that pump is bad.. anyway long story short it has way to many electronics and we want to p pump it.. how hard is this.. we are being told the isl is the same block as a 8.3 so just get the front motor plate.. anyway some of you guys have to know what it will take.. oh and also are the isl injectors the same as a b 24 valve??? we are shooting for a reliable 550hp with this deal..

drew504 · 01-23-2011, 07:27 PM

ISL is a newer version of the L10 not the 8.3L, you would need an ISC to get the 8.3L. Just find an older 8.3L and use it. It's physically smaller than an ISL also.

buckbz · 01-23-2011, 09:09 PM

its an 8.9 liter motor, says isl on the front of it

DEZLFREK · 01-25-2011, 11:38 PM

so anyone know anything about this motor?

Ben46a · 01-27-2011, 02:26 PM

I dont think its gonna be an easy task.

ldiesel · 01-30-2011, 12:50 AM

(ISL is a newer version of the L10 not the 8.3L)
actually the ism is the new version of the L10. The isl is closest to the isc but a little different longer stroke if I remember. it it should be a common rail motor and has factory ratings over the 400hp mark, so some aftermarket programing will get you to 550 easy or have the injectors opened up some as for wiring a few main power and grounds is all it takes to make it run if you done want to interface it with the rest of the truck
Also I hope this is like a top kick or Kodiak a 9L will crush a 3500

buckbz · 01-30-2011, 03:37 PM

no..... its a new version of 8.3l!

Mr.T · 01-30-2011, 03:59 PM

the ISC is the new version of the 8.3, not the ISL

buckbz · 01-30-2011, 08:38 PM

well how come the block is the same as 6ct 8.3l ? how come no one knows about this motor?

Mr.T · 01-30-2011, 08:45 PM

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Beginning in 1998, Cummins introduced the ISC based off the earlier mechanical 8.3 C-series engine. The original ISC engine featured a Cummins Accumulator Pump System (CAPS). This CAPS pump was a computer controlled injection pump, with individual fuel lines to each injector.

In 2003, Cummins released the updated ISC engine. Among other differences, the most significant was the change to the High Pressure Common Rail (HPCR) fuel system. The new fuel system eliminated the CAPS injection pump, relying on electronic controlled injectors to actuate fuel

i'll continue to prove that they are not the same if you'd like

Mr.T · 01-30-2011, 08:47 PM

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The Cummins ISL engine is mostly known for being the powerhouse of the larger sized motorhomes. Although also used for firetrucks due to the high horsepower ratings, the ISL really shines when it powers the Cummins diesel motorhome.

The original ISL engine feautured a fuel pump similiar to the ISC. This pump is known as the Cummins Accumulator Pump System (CAPS). This CAPS pump was a computer controlled injection pump, with individual fuel lines to each injector.

In 2003, Cummins released the updated ISL engine. Among other differences, the most significant was the change to the High Pressure Common Rail (HPCR) fuel system. The new fuel system eliminated the CAPS injection pump, relying on electronic controlled injectors to actuate fuel

info on the ISL

Mr.T · 01-30-2011, 08:49 PM

ISC=8.3 liter
ISL=8.9 liter
ISM=11 liter

ericjk42002 · 01-31-2011, 08:06 AM

I have a few C and L series engines setting side by side, dont know forsure but it looks like you could Ppump an ISL using older C series parts...would need custom injector lines forsure but the blocks and front covers sure look close if not the same. Now the engines Im looking at are CNG bastards, however I have found many of the hard parts to be the same as their diesel brothers.

*Snedge* · 01-31-2011, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ericjk42002

I have a few C and L series engines setting side by side, dont know forsure but it looks like you could Ppump an ISL using older C series parts...would need custom injector lines forsure but the blocks and front covers sure look close if not the same. Now the engines Im looking at are CNG bastards, however I have found many of the hard parts to be the same as their diesel brothers.

/\ This guy would know.

Why don't we check quickserve with the two serial #s. All we need to know is if they require the same mounting gasket.
Gear housing to block.

ericjk42002 · 01-31-2011, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Snedge

/\ This guy would know.

Why don't we check quickserve with the two serial #s. All we need to know is if they require the same mounting gasket.
Gear housing to block.

I'll get you some numbers by the end of the day....see if we can help this guy build something cool

LReiff · 01-31-2011, 09:09 AM

C series & L series - Gear housing gaskets are the same, cylinder heads are the same, etc.

Dtruck1 · 01-31-2011, 11:12 AM

What happened to Buckbz? Let me guess, the N-14 and ISX are the same too right?

buckbz · 01-31-2011, 07:07 PM

im just saying its similar...it shares parts.

ericjk42002 · 01-31-2011, 08:44 PM

Here are two engine numbers if someone wants to check again

Older C series 46085360
Brand new ISL 73053578

As stated, the gear housings will interchange. So the next factor would be...will the ISL give enough room for a Ppump?? If the pump will bolt on without hitting the head...I dont see a problem with Ppumping an ISL, other than bending the injector lines yourself, which sucks ass.

DEZLFREK · 01-31-2011, 09:17 PM

thanks for helping us with this, his service truck already has a b series in it with a 13sp so we are going to add some front bags and are going to relocate the radiator to the bed.. we shooting for around 500-550hp so we are using a 215 pump. its going to be sweet having a real jake brake in this thing too.. anyone have any idea about the injectors in this. are they the same as 24valve injector? what might the popoff be in these stock and the size? anyway thanks again for the help

01-21-2011, 08:29 PM	#1
DEZLFREK Name: DEZLFREK Title: my licence plate says it Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: sonoma,ca Member`s Gallery Posts: 4,569	how hard is it to p pump an isl ok so we are putting an o2 isl in place of a b in my buddies chevy service truck.. so we think that pump is bad.. anyway long story short it has way to many electronics and we want to p pump it.. how hard is this.. we are being told the isl is the same block as a 8.3 so just get the front motor plate.. anyway some of you guys have to know what it will take.. oh and also are the isl injectors the same as a b 24 valve??? we are shooting for a reliable 550hp with this deal.. __________________ 2k,cam,northeast diesel 12mm pump,big blue24 ,625's,block stiffener,pcs,4r100,spec rite tc, T$62/65/12 over a billet 80/96/1.10. 67 nova,l33 block,4.8,243s,csu 750,e85,475/87/1.0,ptc 3600 9.5 tc,t brake 400, tci front and 4 link, 9"spool,3.25,mt 275's= 9.34@145

01-23-2011, 07:27 PM	#2
drew504 Name: drew504 Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2007 Member`s Gallery Posts: 102	ISL is a newer version of the L10 not the 8.3L, you would need an ISC to get the 8.3L. Just find an older 8.3L and use it. It's physically smaller than an ISL also. __________________ puller 01 dodge 24v ppump parts man by day mechanic by night

01-25-2011, 11:38 PM	#4
DEZLFREK Name: DEZLFREK Title: my licence plate says it Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: sonoma,ca Member`s Gallery Posts: 4,569	so anyone know anything about this motor? __________________ 2k,cam,northeast diesel 12mm pump,big blue24 ,625's,block stiffener,pcs,4r100,spec rite tc, T$62/65/12 over a billet 80/96/1.10. 67 nova,l33 block,4.8,243s,csu 750,e85,475/87/1.0,ptc 3600 9.5 tc,t brake 400, tci front and 4 link, 9"spool,3.25,mt 275's= 9.34@145

01-27-2011, 02:26 PM	#5
Ben46a Name: Ben46a Title: Puller wannabe Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Waverley, NS Member`s Gallery Posts: 813	I dont think its gonna be an easy task. __________________ 2008 Ram RCLB 2500 4x4,6.7, 3850 SBCDD, 3.42, II 85% cp3, 75/83/1.0, 2nd gen PDI manifold, torker 150 hp inj, ADII 165, Hellman Sump, A1 H11 studs, Smarty TNT, BHAF, Hellman intercooler, passenger diesel intake system and grid delete.

01-30-2011, 12:50 AM	#6
ldiesel Name: ldiesel Title: Clint Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: ne pa Member`s Gallery Posts: 105	(ISL is a newer version of the L10 not the 8.3L) actually the ism is the new version of the L10. The isl is closest to the isc but a little different longer stroke if I remember. it it should be a common rail motor and has factory ratings over the 400hp mark, so some aftermarket programing will get you to 550 easy or have the injectors opened up some as for wiring a few main power and grounds is all it takes to make it run if you done want to interface it with the rest of the truck Also I hope this is like a top kick or Kodiak a 9L will crush a 3500 __________________ 94 3500 2wd 12v auto X2 68 camaro alum 421 Lanning's Diesel Repair Last edited by ldiesel; 01-30-2011 at 12:52 AM.

01-23-2011, 09:09 PM	#3
buckbz Name: buckbz Title: Rookie Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2011 Member`s Gallery Posts: 13	its an 8.9 liter motor, says isl on the front of it

01-30-2011, 03:37 PM	#7
buckbz Name: buckbz Title: Rookie Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2011 Member`s Gallery Posts: 13	no..... its a new version of 8.3l!

01-30-2011, 03:59 PM	#8
Mr.T Name: Mr.T Title: DPF's are gay Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Rexburg, Idaho Member`s Gallery Posts: 8,030	the ISC is the new version of the 8.3, not the ISL __________________ 2019 L5P, missing some stuff that makes it quiet.

01-30-2011, 08:38 PM	#9
buckbz Name: buckbz Title: Rookie Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2011 Member`s Gallery Posts: 13	well how come the block is the same as 6ct 8.3l ? how come no one knows about this motor?

01-30-2011, 08:49 PM	#12
Mr.T Name: Mr.T Title: DPF's are gay Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Rexburg, Idaho Member`s Gallery Posts: 8,030	ISC=8.3 liter ISL=8.9 liter ISM=11 liter __________________ 2019 L5P, missing some stuff that makes it quiet.

01-31-2011, 08:06 AM	#13
ericjk42002 Name: ericjk42002 Title: CNG TECH Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Western Pa Member`s Gallery Posts: 333	I have a few C and L series engines setting side by side, dont know forsure but it looks like you could Ppump an ISL using older C series parts...would need custom injector lines forsure but the blocks and front covers sure look close if not the same. Now the engines Im looking at are CNG bastards, however I have found many of the hard parts to be the same as their diesel brothers.

01-31-2011, 11:12 AM	#17
Dtruck1 Name: Dtruck1 Title: Engineer Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Member`s Gallery Posts: 434	What happened to Buckbz? Let me guess, the N-14 and ISX are the same too right? __________________ 05 Dodge Ram 2500 Haisley DD, Wicked Stg 3 CP3, Fass, 100hp Bosch Motorsport Nozzles on new SS bodies from Exergy, AFE Bladerunner Exh, studs, rings, AFE Stg 2 with Amsoil filter, II SPS 62/71/14, Smarty SSR LLT22/HLT24/LLD18/HLD24/LLR17/HLR30 Torque 1

01-31-2011, 07:07 PM	#18
buckbz Name: buckbz Title: Rookie Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2011 Member`s Gallery Posts: 13	im just saying its similar...it shares parts.

01-31-2011, 08:44 PM	#19
ericjk42002 Name: ericjk42002 Title: CNG TECH Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Western Pa Member`s Gallery Posts: 333	Here are two engine numbers if someone wants to check again Older C series 46085360 Brand new ISL 73053578 As stated, the gear housings will interchange. So the next factor would be...will the ISL give enough room for a Ppump?? If the pump will bolt on without hitting the head...I dont see a problem with Ppumping an ISL, other than bending the injector lines yourself, which sucks ass.

01-31-2011, 09:17 PM	#20
DEZLFREK Name: DEZLFREK Title: my licence plate says it Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: sonoma,ca Member`s Gallery Posts: 4,569	thanks for helping us with this, his service truck already has a b series in it with a 13sp so we are going to add some front bags and are going to relocate the radiator to the bed.. we shooting for around 500-550hp so we are using a 215 pump. its going to be sweet having a real jake brake in this thing too.. anyone have any idea about the injectors in this. are they the same as 24valve injector? what might the popoff be in these stock and the size? anyway thanks again for the help __________________ 2k,cam,northeast diesel 12mm pump,big blue24 ,625's,block stiffener,pcs,4r100,spec rite tc, T$62/65/12 over a billet 80/96/1.10. 67 nova,l33 block,4.8,243s,csu 750,e85,475/87/1.0,ptc 3600 9.5 tc,t brake 400, tci front and 4 link, 9"spool,3.25,mt 275's= 9.34@145