NADM 2.6 rules phone poll results

if you limit total power, theoretically, and the amount of traction (2.6 class and dual rears) then you will find the money spent will be in areas of new importance (lighter engine and driveline parts, suspension, etc) instead of stuff that changes with rules every dang year
 
Here's my question why cant all of the big 4 orgs get on a confrence call come to an agreement with making the 2.6 rules the same? They are all using the same 3.0 rules make everyones life easyer and set it in stone for 2-3 years then we wont have this anymore. Just my $.02
 
Man sure am glad i put alot of money into my truck this summer and built a TRUE 2.6 truck again but now that i just got it all togather its kinda pointless to evan run it next year at all.. Guess thats what us true 2.6 guys call (chickins hiding in the 2.6 class) but someone always has to ague with the simple fact that its true and wont admitt it and wanna call us names to just cover up your truck that just cant cut it in the class your suppose to be in. Truth hurts... i know i know have a good day guys!
 
cboycadi said:
Here's my question why cant all of the big 4 orgs get on a confrence call come to an agreement with making the 2.6 rules the same? They are all using the same 3.0 rules make everyones life easyer and set it in stone for 2-3 years then we wont have this anymore. Just my $.02
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It doesn't matter, when you have street trucks with hood stacks, its at the point of no return. Ohio and Kentucky want Modified trucks with baby turbos- at the rate they are going, they will have Rockwells and drop boxes, next year, billet blocks the year after, tube frames after that.
 
commin-rail03 said:
Man sure am glad i put alot of money into my truck this summer and built a TRUE 2.6 truck again but now that i just got it all togather its kinda pointless to evan run it next year at all.. Guess thats what us true 2.6 guys call (chickins hiding in the 2.6 class) but someone always has to ague with the simple fact that its true and wont admitt it and wanna call us names to just cover up your truck that just cant cut it in the class your suppose to be in. Truth hurts... i know i know have a good day guys!
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So these results are from true Small frame turbo chargers? OH well... Maybe make the entire class run the exact same charger with the same clipped wheel modifications...Then the class has to get creative with driveline and suspension mods to be out front.
 
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cboycadi said:
Here's my question why cant all of the big 4 orgs get on a confrence call come to an agreement with making the 2.6 rules the same? They are all using the same 3.0 rules make everyones life easyer and set it in stone for 2-3 years then we wont have this anymore. Just my $.02
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Because each entity thinks they have the better mousetrap.

The folks who want to change things, at least in theory, want to "make things better," but here's where I see it going:

You have a few trucks right now that can dominate 2.6. Those superman trucks will get the biggest bite taken away since they found some innovative things that no one else did. So if the changes "work," you take the superman trucks down a notch or two.

This simply bunches up the field.

Now that might be OK. But where people were complaining about getting beat by 20' (see all the Adam Hallien references), those same trucks will get beat by 7' or 10'. Or maybe only 3'.

Maybe that makes people feel better, I don't know.

We will never get away from the fact that in a class of 30 trucks there will be 1 winner and 29 losers.

Whether you get beat by 3' or 5' or 20', will it really matter?

Everyone so far that I have heard say " we need to bring the class back" doesn't have a crystal ball to see what the changes will bring. It is assumed that it will be "better," but I'm not convinced it will change much.

Guys will still spend $5k on a turbo that makes 20 more HP to beat the next guy by 6". Do we feel any better if we're always 5th place but instead of 5', it's now 5"?

I dunno, I think it could bring on some seriously boring pulling, but maybe not.

One thing that would actually make things "better" is if the power levels are all similar, yet the winner actually wins by 20' because of setup and driving skill.

But those guys will probably just be called cheaters LOL

Personally I think the best thing is to hold the national rules as-is so everyone can participate, and let OH or KY or whoever try the changes and we all watch for a year. If it works, jump in. If not, hold steady until a viable change becomes apparent.
 
nwpadmax said:
Because each entity thinks they have the better mousetrap.

The folks who want to change things, at least in theory, want to "make things better," but here's where I see it going:

You have a few trucks right now that can dominate 2.6. Those superman trucks will get the biggest bite taken away since they found some innovative things that no one else did. So if the changes "work," you take the superman trucks down a notch or two.

This simply bunches up the field.

Now that might be OK. But where people were complaining about getting beat by 20' (see all the Adam Hallien references), those same trucks will get beat by 7' or 10'. Or maybe only 3'.

Maybe that makes people feel better, I don't know.

We will never get away from the fact that in a class of 30 trucks there will be 1 winner and 29 losers.

Whether you get beat by 3' or 5' or 20', will it really matter?

Everyone so far that I have heard say " we need to bring the class back" doesn't have a crystal ball to see what the changes will bring. It is assumed that it will be "better," but I'm not convinced it will change much.

Guys will still spend $5k on a turbo that makes 20 more HP to beat the next guy by 6". Do we feel any better if we're always 5th place but instead of 5', it's now 5"?

I dunno, I think it could bring on some seriously boring pulling, but maybe not.

One thing that would actually make things "better" is if the power levels are all similar, yet the winner actually wins by 20' because of setup and driving skill.

But those guys will probably just be called cheaters LOL

Personally I think the best thing is to hold the national rules as-is so everyone can participate, and let OH or KY or whoever try the changes and we all watch for a year. If it works, jump in. If not, hold steady until a viable change becomes apparent.
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Good points, I think the reason the class should be reigned in is to allow the drivelines to stay together. The person with the most money,time, and innovation is still gonna win!
 
zstroken said:
Good points, I think the reason the class should be reigned in is to allow the drivelines to stay together. The person with the most money,time, and innovation is still gonna win!
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Agreed, Money will be spent, but it wont be "thrown away" on parts that aren't legal the following year or 3 years down the road. I dont find gasser pulling all that boring, even though they have been doing the same things for 20 years to make power. FWIW
 
Sledpuller said:
It doesn't matter, when you have street trucks with hood stacks, its at the point of no return. Ohio and Kentucky want Modified trucks with baby turbos- at the rate they are going, they will have Rockwells and drop boxes, next year, billet blocks the year after, tube frames after that.
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ITPA and COTPA are on board also to my understanding....

count in Indiana too Dumb ass
 
Looks to me like if the air comes through a 2.6 inch hole its a 2.6 truck. I know that s
to simple.
 
MarkBroviak said:
ITPA, COTPC, BOB have the same rules now, care to join us Gene?
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As far as turbos, all three will be legal with NADM the way our rules are. We'll watch and see.

Ditch the hood stacks, would have helped.

I suspect at least one of those three groups will change the turbo rule AGAIN next year.
 
This is why we needed to change the charger rules

Sledpuller said:
It doesn't matter, when you have street trucks with hood stacks, its at the point of no return. Ohio and Kentucky want Modified trucks with baby turbos- at the rate they are going, they will have Rockwells and drop boxes, next year, billet blocks the year after, tube frames after that.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRS63aGC748

Here you go Gene, this is non hood stacked base build motor with a NADM legal turbo(not even my biggest one out there) and it dynoed 911RWHP 1539ftlbs! It only dynoed 785rwhp 13xxftlbs on a true 66mm turbo. It will most like be 850ish range on our new turbo rules. I still think it needs to be a true 66mm class to really dial these trucks back some. The restrictor would also do the job and alot cheaper but it will take time for people to fully understand what the real problem here is. Hope this info helps. We will find out this weekend if Matt Gainer's truck is making 4 digit power with a 2.6 legal turbo...
 

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I find that chart very interesting.

At 4000rpm, its roughly 760Hp, 1200#tq. As rpm drops, HP and tq increase.

Do you feel that is accurate, and what do you think it could do on a load dyno, what kind of peak power could that engine hold for 10 seconds?

We haven't had a good dyno argument in a while, but I still remember the days of having a dyno chart that said 575 Hp and 1250 tq, while I was whipping the 850 HP paper tigers on the track!
 
Sledpuller said:
I find that chart very interesting.

At 4000rpm, its roughly 760Hp, 1200#tq. As rpm drops, HP and tq increase.

Do you feel that is accurate, and what do you think it could do on a load dyno, what kind of peak power could that engine hold for 10 seconds?

We haven't had a good dyno argument in a while, but I still remember the days of having a dyno chart that said 575 Hp and 1250 tq, while I was whipping the 850 HP paper tigers on the track!
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Actually Gene it is 825hp at 4000rpms and it is a load dyno. This was making a peak of 52psi and dropped to 42psi at 4000rpms were it pegs the 60psi on the pulling track. It probably makes more power than this under full load of the sled. If you don't think it is what we say it is, come pull agianst it yourself and find out the hard way. I really think you need to get out more becuase you would not be talking like this, oh wait I keep forgetting who you are. Carry on Gene...
 
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