Standalone CR Sled trucks

jtrawdeal said:
Wow Matt really? I think i was in anywhere with in 2 to 5 foot of u last year with a fully stock motor and a pertruding charger. And the standalone stuff is way better ive gained close to 800 rpm down the track.. Yeah yesterday i had a sensor go bad.. Brandons truck ran awesome at urbana. Give them some time i got 1 hook on mine and brandon only has 3 or 4.. Dont come on here and bash us!
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wow realy yourself.... i was nowhere near matt last year and you were behind me so you were 5 feet off gainer when??????
thats the funniest thing ive heard all year......
 
97' CTD said:
God damn matt I have a stock motor with a zeus wtf do u want me to do I always stood behind u but why take a low shot? I drove 400 miles today and won $75 I don't care I had fun and I paid for it all out of my paycheck I receive from my place of employment. If u don't believe me on the stock part come do a teardown I all ask for is new bearings, gaskets, and rings. This is the whole purpose I don't get on here anymore this site has gone to trash.
Brandon
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thanks for comin down brandon your truck ran great, you and danny ran pretty well against the p pump trucks, but scott's ran really well too!
 
Durydeek_88 said:
wow realy yourself.... i was nowhere near matt last year and you were behind me so you were 5 feet off gainer when??????
thats the funniest thing ive heard all year......
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Lmao really? I don't recall u ever bein out infront of me before you got a lucky numer at sheid bud! The first time I ran my truck in ohio matt got me by 2 ft 6 inches at london..I can remember making him sweat a.few other times to cause he told me..for what I had in my truck money wise compared to him I was happy. And after sheid I had four Injectors goin bad..give the zeus some time just like efi w ur duramaxes took time
 
mq105 said:
I've always liked the P-pump trucks. It's "honest" power, right? Not just plugging in a box. Traditionally, I've rooted for them at the track and I smile when I see (hear) one on the street. I've got an affinity for things mechanical as opposed to electronic. I think many diesel enthusiasts feel this way.
However, the CR system is simply more efficient than a purely mechanical set up. It is many times more complicated and stand-alone tuning is new to Cummins owners. I think it will be only a very short time until Cummins CR trucks with stand-alone tuning (and now EFI) will regularly be beating the mechanical trucks at the pulls and drags.
I've had a change of heart about the CR and electronic controls. I now understand that making big power is not simply as easy as plugging in a box. While they are easier and cheaper for the regular guy to gain some power over factory levels, they are more difficult and complicated to get right in all-out race trim. You have to be just as mechanically proficient as before, and be knowledgeable about the electronics/computers.
I applaud those that have taken the lead in stand-alone tuning.
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I am not convinced, while the CR/standalones offer the users lots of flexability, don't think they will displace the Ppump.

The big difference will be the CR will be able to allow a 1100HP truck to hook to the sled, and if it stays together, drive home from the pull after a tune change.
 
outlaw99 said:
I bet you $ for $ a cr truck beats a p-pump truck nowadays.
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That might be an interesting bet.

13mm Ppump $4000
Injector nozzles $600

$4600



Efi Live $600
Dual CP3 $2000(will a stock second pump keep up)
Injector nozzles $1300

$3900


Also does it include the maintenance items as repairing injectors etc?

If you put the stand alone in there it pretty much crosses out the Ppump and you end up with the Ppump being cheaper.
 
Sweet, cool to see some more stand alone's in there, they sound nice, real nice.

IMO the Mechanicals still have the upper hand on all out fuel flow, BUT the last time I talked with Andrew at Bosch is was working some magic on some CR injectors that were going to flow a stupid amount of fuel, like three pumps won't keep up fuel.

The death rate of the CR's will always be higher as far as I'm concerned simply from the unlimited high pressure potential that is always behind the CR injector, anyone who has popped a solenoid or stuck one will know what I'm talking about.
 
outlaw99 said:
reverse launches ftmfw:cheer:
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LOL Dik



Give the Zeus some time, be the end of the season alot of things will be diffrent.. Brandons truck runs damn good for a stock bottom end, Gainer is way off on the dmax mind-set IMO...Dannys efi is looking great also, keep up the good work fellas! Brandon M. you need to get some product on the drag strip:poke:
 
FordGuy24 said:
LOL Dik



Give the Zeus some time, be the end of the season alot of things will be diffrent.. Brandons truck runs damn good for a stock bottom end, Gainer is way off on the dmax mind-set IMO...Dannys efi is looking great also, keep up the good work fellas! Brandon M. you need to get some product on the drag strip:poke:
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Of course does a non stock bottom end add any HP? So being a stock bottom end really impacts the longevity of the engine more than anything.
 
I completely swore off of CRs after injector failures for DD use and went back to my dinosaurs. The biggest thing id like to see when it comes to CR longevity will be if going to a single duration event will in turn prolong the death rate of a CR injector. But its also a catch 22 as the heat from the 3rd duration event is what helps the CR spool the big chargers so well. Anyone running a Standalone in daily driver use with a single duration event?
 
dan im talking engine... I have basically stock cam, stock pistons, 12v rods. stock head and intake. the truck is keeping up with built, built ,built 12v motors.... motors in the 20k range
 
I think once you guys figure the tuning out completely, there is no reason why a CR with the right hardware wouldn't come out on top compared to a P-pumped setup...


Comparing the 7 parameters posted above to Big Stuff 3, or even SCT...Tuning shouldn't be overly difficult.

zstroken said:
I am not convinced, while the CR/standalones offer the users lots of flexability, don't think they will displace the Ppump.

The big difference will be the CR will be able to allow a 1100HP truck to hook to the sled, and if it stays together, drive home from the pull after a tune change.
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+1
There is no doubt you'll see more and more very high hp trucks running around as drivability will continue to get better with custom tuning..
 
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outlaw99 said:
dan im talking engine... I have basically stock cam, stock pistons, 12v rods. stock head and intake. the truck is keeping up with built, built ,built 12v motors.... motors in the 20k range
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Well when I had a stock 12V it was keeping up with high dollar engines, it just wouldn't beat them. LOL

Diminishing returns.
$5000 will get you 600 HP
$10000 will get you 900 HP
$20000 will get you 1200HP

Bring up the next point just cause you pay $20K to one engine builder doesn't mean you got your monies worth. LOL

It depends on the definition of keeping up.


Besides we need to factor in your drag racing blood. That has to add 300HP lol
 
Drasko said:
I completely swore off of CRs after injector failures for DD use and went back to my dinosaurs. The biggest thing id like to see when it comes to CR longevity will be if going to a single duration event will in turn prolong the death rate of a CR injector. But its also a catch 22 as the heat from the 3rd duration event is what helps the CR spool the big chargers so well. Anyone running a Standalone in daily driver use with a single duration event?
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Ran one on my stock Megacab for a couple months while I messed with the drag truck. Always on single event, the third injection event is not an issue, that can be tuned in with less timing or the Zues has the ability to drive another injection event. Just by taking the timing back though will do the same as a late event.
 
ok, ive beat them.... is that what you wanted to hear?? 10,000 dollars will not get you 900hp on a 12v, you just said the pump was 5k, and i know alot of guys in 2.6 class that have over 1500.00 in there injectors not 600. there 6500.00 so 3500 left. I dont think a stock 12v head will support 900hp so there is anoth 1k to 2k in porting maybe more.. then you got a cam.. 500-1000$ then u got pushrods and springs$$$ the list goes on.
 
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